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They are going to try and push them into Egypt and take it all.
Netanyahoo is a nationalist fuck, so that's probably what his plan was if it's true he and his military intelligence ignored the planned attack.
Serious question: If the whole point of Israel is to have a country for Jewish people, doesn't that make it a nationalist state by definition?
Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology, so yes.
And this is where I never agreed with my Jewish inlaws. You aren't allowed to be critical of their ideology because to criticize the state is to criticize Jewish people. A lot of them feel this way.
I would argue the disingenuous ones use the historical events of the Holocaust to allow them carte blanche on their policies since then.
Then again, we aren't allowed to have an adult conversation around that IMHO. Yes there's a lot of complexity there and yes I am oversimplifying things.
That's sad, my relatives from the Jewish side are more adequate. Not sure that's the case now, though.
My Jewish inlaws are very liberal but at the same time I don't think traditional Anglo-Saxons fully understand how tightly embedded their religion is to their identity even if they're not religious. Same can be said of Muslims. That's where the complexity comes in. You're starting a conversation where bringing up aspects of religion and faith are a core aspect of their identity and their country's identity.
Well, my relatives are definitely religious, even if there's nothing "ultra" about them (except for ultracool and ultrasmart maybe, haha). Since being Jewish is a religious thing more than ethnic one, it's obviously very hard to separate these (well, the state of Israel itself was such an attempt at creating a stable secular-Jewish identity).
And what's happening now is not about religion anyway, it's about lots of genocidal actions, which makes people emotional.
Amen. I wish I had an answer. I just know what's going on now is wrong.
Yes they explicitly want an ethnostate.
That makes it a Theocracy.
It makes it an ethnostate, but because of Israeli policies it goes all the way to Apartheid.
They really can't, though. They'd have to give up their cheap, oppressed labor force. Unless they've finally decided to do that, which would be a real change in their position. They're just going to keep squeezing.
They'd still have the West Bank
I suppose so.
If Israel wanted Gaza they would have taken it years ago or never left in the first place.