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Canada is the second best country in the world to live in this year.
If you're wealthy it's a good country. Not if you're a working class Canadian
I moved from Canada to the USA, and what I have seen is that Canada is less unequal than the US. If you are working class in Canada there is at least some social safety net. In the US the rich are richer and the poor are poorer. Canada is moving that way but still has more protections for those on the bottom.
But the US has guns, hate speech, and discrimination disguised as religious freedom.
The problem I find is that the safety net is there only if you're rock bottom poor. If you're lower income but barely scraping by, there's no help for you. They are helping homeowners pay their property taxes, helping corporations with corporate welfare, and helping the poorest afford food, but if you're just above the poverty line, you're on your own.
What country do you think you could live in where the government would give you money?
Canada. If you're rich and failing, they give you money. If you're the citizen of another country, and need foreign aid, they give you money.
If you're a struggling, working class Canadian, not so much.
My employer, a multi million dollar company, got $500k in aid. I who have $0 in my account after bills, got zero assistance during the pandemic. I had a second job at a hospital during the pandemic too, working directly for the government. What did I get out of it? I got COVID, no protections and a half a dozen co-workers dead.
You never answered my question. What country do you think gives money to its citizens like you?
Norway
So you think that Norway just gives people money?
The government hands rich people money all the time. I'm a full time worker who wants my government to get off it's ass and fix the housing and wage situation that's killing us, I'm not asking for money.I make money, but because "my government" doesn't care about reality, my wages and costs aren't consistent and they don't seem to see an issue cause they do nothing about it. Nobody is asking for free money, I'm asking for this country to focus on Canadians instead of focusing 100% of their time and money on foreign affairs
This is exactly what I was taking about in another comment. Ego. You can't see that the things that we do in terms of foreign policy keep you safe in the long run. The world is confusing and scary and you want more than you have right now so it's Canada's fault and Trudeau's fault and foreigners fault. It's everyone's fault but yours.
Canada is a beautiful, free, and open country and I love it. I'm sorry that you don't.
I'm native blood so my country is lovely, it's the colonial system that favors the white and wealthy that I hate. Your system isn't built for people who look like me, and it doesn't care what happens to me.
I'll be sure to let my wife (who is Raven Clan) know that.
Hey, so we were taking about how the fact that you have, "Indian blood" meant that the system was stacked against you. I said I would mention that to my wife, who has status.
What I'm wondering is this: When I consider my family, daughter number 1 who is a department head at an NHS hospital in London, daughter number 2 who is in med school, son (the youngest) who is planning to become an engineer, my wife's younger brother who is a mining engineer and mine manager at a larger copper mine in Arizona, wife's youngest brother who is a software engineer and a senior developer and program manager at Microsoft, and our friends who are successful small business owners, small farmers, and retired teachers if the decisions you have made don't have a much bigger impact on how you're making your way through life than a historical disadvantage you might have, if any.
Perhaps you have been convinced that the system is stacked against you to manipulated you into voting against your own self-interest?
That's not what I asked. What country do you think you could move to that would give you money? Or, since we both know that's nonsense, what country do you think gives it's own citizens like you money?
I'm not wealthy. I've been to lots of countries. There is no place that I would rather live than Canada. Maybe your problem is you?
Oh I'm the problem? I'm the one who is setting the pathetic wages, rising costs of living and rising food costs? I'm the reason people are living paycheck to paycheck in the "greatest country"? Drop this nationalism bullshit, stop jerking off to the country's propaganda.
What country do you think isn't having those problems right now?
I think this is the thing to remember. Canada is the (second) best country in the world, according to one specific set of criteria. By other metrics it may be best, or slightly lower.
Any individual probably has done different weightings to any metric that might be used to compare countries, so your personal list may be different.
But! But, every country has it's problems. Perfection does not exist. Every country could also be better.
Ultimately we should all appreciate what is working and work towards making things better. In reality, people are going to also disagree with what is working and what would be better though. I'm pretty sure the Qonvoyers are a great example of this.
The Qonvoyers want to help "real Canadians". Their perception of "better" does not align with mine.
Yes. It doesn't mean Canada is perfect and it doesn't mean that things can't be improved but it does mean that the people who are pissing and moaning and suckling at the teat of the Egyptian anti-Canadian propaganda farm would be far worse off if they didn't live here.
I think that the issue is all ego, like the Freudian ego. The people who are complaining can't see past their own belly buttons. "I'm having a shitty time and I'm miserable therefore it's a shitty country." Nah, dog. There are a fuck of a lot of us out here who thinks its a great country and love it.
I'm one of those people.