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its just so sad. i thought reddit had pretty extreme views, but lemmy seems to be just worse. i guess this is where the crazies went when they got banned from reddit.
and lemmy's growth will suffer for it.
It's not extreme to recognize that a US-backed apartheid state is running an extermination campaign against a marginalized group. While a small number of Palestinians are members of Hamas, that doesn't give Israel the right to commit genocide. Not that they've needed "the right" to do so for the past 70 years.
A small part of Germans were Nazis, but all of Germany had to be defeated to stop their terror. How would you have dealt with them?
Hamas are far smaller, obviously, but able to commit just as fucked up atrocities. They actively use the innocent civilians as their meat shield. How to deal with them?
Yes. The terrorists use the suffering of the Palestinian people in Gaza as an excuse to attack Israel.
Now; If the government of Israel was to stop the horrible treatment of Palestinians by rightwing ‘settler’ provocateurs and its own soldiers, then Hamas (or any other terrorist organisations) would have very little excuse to use Gaza as a base.
They wanted to destroy Israel ever since it exists. Attacking it on the first day after they declared independence. Not accepting any sort of deal, only wanting destruction.
How to deal with people that want to destroy you, never settling for less? Despite getting defeated every time.
What?
Do you think Israel was just empty land no one was using?
If the people who used to live their for generations attacked it the day after Israel was formed...
Doesn't that just mean they tried to fight off invaders to protect their home?
You're acting like Israel was somehow the victim for stealing a shit ton of land that was culturally significant to the rightful residents.
If me and my cousins showed up to your house, told you God gave it to us, would you "attack" us to defend your home? Or just go off and live on the street a couple miles away?
Millions of Germans were removed from east Europe after WW2, with 100'000s dieing. Nazis did not come back and terrorise those countries.
Something that happened 80 years ago is absolutely not a valid reason to keep killing your own and the "enemies" people.
I do t think k that happened.
Are you saying if Israel dissolved and left the area there's be peace? Finally, we agree on something.
You don't think it happened? This will get you started.
So that's your solution for the Israel conflict?
Send all the Israelis back to where they came from and let the native people have their land back?
Gotta say, little extreme for me, but you do you homie.
You ignore our previous discussion, do not acknowledge if you were right it wrong, and put absurd stuff in my mouth. What do you expect me to answer when you treat me like that in a discussion?
Israel was a settler-colonial project from its inception. The people living there had every right to oppose it.
Might makes right?
Yes, opposite it. Look for a solution both sides can agree on. Fighting war for 80 years with the started goal of destroying Israel is not a viable solution.
You're pretty stuck on this "stated goal of destroying Israel" thing, aren't you?
If conditions changed such that Palestinians could lead fruitful and peaceful lives, then they would do so. Even under current conditions they mostly just try to get by.
It is not me who is stuck on that. It is even stated in their official documents. How could you ever expect to have peace with such a horrible entity?
Pretty simple, follow the American example and judge people based on their actions instead of their associations. Israel would have put in more humanitarian work if they really wanted to defeat Hamas. Instead they decided to prop up a/the mutually genocidal political opponent. I wonder if they're even capable of learning.
You're conflating Hamas with all Palestinians in order to justify genocide.
My friend, that is a very fucking dangerous argument you're making there.