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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 94 points 1 year ago

If there are people in Hexbear of all places questioning the obvious bombing of a hospital that Israel said they were going to bomb, we've lost the narrative battle over the hospital.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those people are just very gullible idiots. They probably thought Russia blew up nordstream as well. Use you head people. How the fuck would a Palestinian pipe rocket the size of a hand grenade kill 800 people? How would a couple cars in a parking lot blowing up kill 800 people? Think you fucking numbskulls

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

The enemy is both all powerful and incompetent

[-] Weebus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Just philosophically I think there's never anything wrong with being careful. We're all leftists here. Questioning shit out in the Posting Trenches is one thing but here I think it's fine. By breaking down and picking apart the shit they're sending out, we're able to combat the misinformation elsewhere. Also the mental effect of all this misinformation piles up and can start to weigh on you. Nobody's fucking hoisting the Zionist flag, we just wanna make sure we have our facts straight. And now it seems like we do, and of course we were right all along, but there's nothing wrong with ensuring that's the case carefully.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

They don't have to make people believe that Hamas bombed themselves, they just have to make people question it for long enough to push it out of the media cycle and for tempers to cool.

Making it a debate is exactly what they want, and they only ever make it a debate when it's beneficial for them to do so. Otherwise it's 40 beheaded babies, later retracted. THAT story changed the course of events because, wrong though it was, it was right for long enough to have an impact.

When we have a preponderance of evidence that Israel bombed a hospital, it's not the time for what-ifs. It's the time to harness an emotional response to useful ends because we know our cause is just and that the truth is on our side, whether or not we made a tiny boo-boo and the unlikely case turned out to be the correct one, just this one time, even though it next to never turns out that way

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Most people think Hamas and Israel are fighting a war war right now

In reality, Israel is carpet bombing Israel with billions in military aid while Hamas constructs explosives that couldn’t level a small home. The propaganda is winning

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

It's not so much questioning but just trying to understand it thoroughly after a few expectations and presumptions that were initially made weren't met.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Do people have any photos of the actual impact site? If 500 people died I'm surprised the best people have is a few burnt out cars.

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