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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Is there any reason that Hezbollah and Iran, two states with 0 ~~b*tches~~ nukes would open a real front against Israel

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

Pakistan or Russia or DPRK could provide…assurances

[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

once again lathing for DPRK to declare a Juche Jihad against Israel

[-] fever@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Hezb is already poking the dog and Iran will not and can not start a war, they can only defend themselves. Iran lacks people's backing and the corrupt officials, who have seats in higher up, fear death more than anyone.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Maintaining legitimacy among precarious conditions, the social pressure of Palestinian solidarity just like Israeli fascism isn't going to go away, they're gonna have to do something and the definition of "opening a real front" varies depending on who you talk to

Also I've always thought the threat of Israeli nukes to be overstated, they won't use nukes unless the US tells them to use nukes, you really think the empire wants a diplomatic world where one of its colonies nukes multiple cities on earth for no benefit to US capital, even the psychotic fascists in the pentagon don't want to deal with that fallout

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

They literally just bombed a hospital to stop a potential US-mediated ceasefire the day before. You better believe them when they say they’ll do anything to “defend” themselves in the face of military defeat.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

They've already suffered a military defeat and bombing a hospital and nuking a city are two different orders of magnitude

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

You misunderstood my point. I am saying that Israel is not necessarily under the leash of the US (or at least not as much as the US think they have the control over) and in the event of an imminent defeat, they would be deranged enough to use nukes and damn what the US thinks they should behave in such scenario.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That depends on who has the nukes and which faction they serve and how integrated the US military is in the management of said nukes, I suspect they're heavily integrated

Also even the deranged fuckers have second homes in the states, I doubt they want to risk the wrath of DC by spreading radioactive particles over half of the Mediterranean, Hitler himself of the eve of defeat in France ordered the total destruction of Paris, yet it didn't happen

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as we know, Israeli nukes are not integrated with the US. The Israeli nuclear program had its roots from the French, and its development was kept in secret throughout the 1960s and 70s until Mordechai Vanunu exposed it in 1986, confirming what many had suspected for decades.

The most significant part of the expose was that the Dimona plant was making tritium and lithium-6, suggesting that Israel was not simply making atomic bombs, but neutron and hydrogen bombs with far greater destructive power.

The Dimona plant is not subject to IAEA inspections, and the Israelis insisted that only US inspectors are allowed, and under conditions of being given advanced notice. US inspectors have complained that their inspections are practically useless because the Israelis are always given enough time to cover up what they are actually doing at the Dimona reactor.

The Jericho ballistic missiles also had their roots in French (collaboration with Dassault), so I doubt there is much integration with the US military, although the US almost certainly know how many nuclear warheads the Israelis have. Still their nuclear weapons program are deliberately kept secret to keep allies and adversaries guessing.

[-] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As far as we know, Israeli nukes are not integrated with the US.

nuclear missiles can be shot down mate, especially when the land which they're sent from is so small

and after yom kippur, when as far as we know the US was unaware that israel wanted to use nukes, or even that they had them, i'm sure they got their CIA plants on the ground watching

nukes are serious shit, really nobody wants them to be used

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

nuclear missiles can be shot down mate

With what? The Russian air defenses might be able to cope and probably still miss a few, if they’re lucky. The Middle Eastern countries do not have the same air defense systems and are pretty much sitting ducks.

The American Patriot batteries have a near 0% interception rate (as opposed to the common narrative) against Iraqi Scuds made in the 1960s! Most air defense systems in the world absolutely cannot deal with nukes with multiple reentry vehicles.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Im assuming that the radioactice particles go into the air at that point. Aren't isotopes heavy? If this prevented a ground impact, wouldn't there still be fallout, but subjective to wind and beyond human ability to contain?

[-] FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

i wouldn’t be so sure that Israel wouldn’t use nukes without US approval. Israel isn’t a loyal hound that acts on command, its a rabid beast that even its master is afraid of sometimes. they can and will act despite and in spite of direction from Washington

[-] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i wouldn’t be so sure that Israel wouldn’t use nukes without US approval. Israel isn’t a loyal hound that acts on command, its a rabid beast that even its master is afraid of sometimes

if it comes to that i think the US would shoot down any attemps, either interrupting the missile mid-flight (i imagine having the military over there isn't only to defend israel, though it does that 99% of the time, but to try and control the situation in general) or just by doing a coup or some shit after the order is given but before the missiles are launched

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

You really that confident in America's ability to shoot down hundreds of nukes?

[-] s0ykaf@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

i'm saying an ability to shoot down nukes is part of a larger equation of deterrents that makes the actual, effective use of nukes unlikely by israel in the near future

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's also the literal fallout to worry about. Poisoining the land you hope to sell to real estate vampires defeats the purpose

[-] skeletorsass@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

They have me. One bitch.

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