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glad to see we have the history understander here!
"hmm blockaded country that can't import food/crops can't feed their people. maybe they should simply grow crops and feed their people"
The embargo does not block food and medicine goods to Cuba from the United States, and other countries besides the US trade with Cuba (notably, China). But apart from that, great point.
As per the Reuters article I linked, Russia is their preferred trade partner and sent oxygen. Perhaps they should choose trade partners more carefully if they insist on relying on US components.
I'd guess they'd get a lot more help if they held free and fair elections
Yes because THAT'S what the US cares about. Like supporting 'free and fair elections' by overthrowing democratically elected governments in Chile, Argentina, Guatemala, Bolivia, Iran, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Nicaragua...
In each case they installed (or tried to install) a puppet dictator they could control. But no, please go on about how Cuba are actually THE BADDIES here.
Afghanistan? Lol, the Taliban?
Nice whataboutism though.
It's still more likely that the US would help Cuba if they introduced democracy
Oh damn dawg, I guess you haven't heard of the PDP before. All good, I gotchu
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2008/12/02/afghanistan-another-untold-story
TL;DR: An organic, popular left-wing government deposed the king and made some serious reforms that challenged capital. Then -- and stop me if you've heard this one before -- capital interests and social reactionaries allied with the U.S. and its client states to attack said popular left-wing government. This pushed the left-wing government into the USSR's camp (again, stop me if this sounds familiar) and it asked the Soviet Union for more and more help, up to and including military assistance.
Now please log off, read theory, then come back and join the adults
Classic leftists, can always be relied upon to divide and conquer themselves
History may not repeat, but socialism sure does rhyme every time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Democratic_Party_of_Afghanistan
I prefer my sources to be balanced, yours is a touch too far I'm afraid. I'm a lazy daoist, the centre is the path.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/common-dreams-media-bias
And I don't need to read theory, theory is for the birds. Facts are what matters, and there is precisely one mildly successful communist country, Vietnam.
One.
“Centrist” bias is still biased.
Do you have a ~~mainstream biased~~ source that refutes their comment other than “evil socialism”?
Why can't they import food/crops? Do you believe that Cuba has 0 trade partners? Can you source any evidence of a "blockade" in place? I don't recall seeing ships surrounding Cuba stopping all boat shipments. You realize that the last real blockade that was established around Cuba was dismantled in the 1980's right? 6.6% of their current imports are from the USA. So not only is there no Blockade... but just an embargo... and not only is there an embargo, but one that's so toothless that we are on their major importer list even though they've had decades to work without the USA.
I can't believe there are actual Cuban embargo deniers now. The world has gone completely crazy.
The embargo is real and it's inhumane.
Sorry? But at what point in my text did I deny an embargo? Leave it to a lemmygrad user to twist what was stated to a denial off an embargo.
Right here my dude.
"Your account is on an instance that I don't like, so you must be arguing in bad faith"
Always great to have a conversation with people who will reach for the silliest reason to not address the point being made. I know you have seen there was a link in my comment.
Yes the words directly preceding that were? You seem to have specifically ignored those words...
Maybe you need help... so let me pull it up for you again.
So I do acknowledge there's an embargo. Not sure how you can claim that I'm denying there's an embargo... Now come the question. What does that Embargo entail? Can you tell me that? Or are you just going to go on about how there's a blockade like your fellow lemmygrad friend that claims there's no Embargo, but instead a Blockade.
If I had a problem with the instance, I'd defederate it. I'm sure there's plenty of users on lemmygrad that are perfectly fine to discuss topics with. And no, I wasn't basing your obvious bad faith argument in the fact that you're a lemmygrad user. However, it's a common occurrence that users from that instance will argue in bad faith regularly. You fit the shoe. So I'm calling it how I see it.
And here we go exactly my point. I DID address the point. You're twisting the goalpost so hard that it might be a basketball hoop now.
The link is irrelavent because you made a claim that I deny the embargo. Which I categorically did not. You are effectively calling me a liar with a source that does not back up the claim. If you actually look up what the embargo terms are... Cuba cannot take or give credit to any US company. It also cannot operate in USD on the basis of credit to any other company operating in USD.
What this means is Cuba CAN make purchases from the US as long as it has the capital. This is why US makes up 6.6% of Cuba total imports. Because Cuba CAN purchase stuff from the US. And does so quite often. Don't believe me? here... https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/documents/technology-evaluation/ote-data-portal/country-analysis/3124-2021-statistical-analysis-of-u-s-trade-with-cuba/file But this is the point of my "toothless" statement... It's not a full embargo from the get-go. We DO trade with them. To me that's a toothless embargo.
Umm akshually sweaty it's not a blockade it's an embargo 💅