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This vibes anecdotally with my local chapter. In the face of overwhelming membership solidarity with Palestinian liberation, the social imperialist reactionaries are purging themselves.

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[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, if Hamas took pains to avoid hurting non-Jewish whites or something like that, then there might be a real question of antisemitism. Or if they, like, greased their bullets with shellfish (halal but not kosher) or literally screamed "death to Jews" or . . . Basically anything inconsistent with simply lashing out in violence against the colonizer population, which is not what a pogrom is.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Pogroms are enacted by powerful groups against disenfranchised, oppressed and weak groups. It’s literally impossible for Palestinians to pogrom Israelis, they simply don’t have the means

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I disagree with that. In the same way that a revolutionary party is functionally a state, if Hamas took over even one city block in Israel for a few hours and said "kill all the Jews, release the rest", they are the dominant power in that time and place and are thereby not part of your logic.

But that is not what they did, so it is a moot point.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Hamas took over and destroyed settlements, because those settlements are illegal and belong to colonizers. They killed the people living there. It wasn't kill all jews, it was kill all occupying settlers. It's not a pogrom because they are being colonized and are defending themselves.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

You'll notice I said "but they didn't do that". They were not targeting Jews, they killed and took hostages from among the settler population indiscriminately. That is what made it not a pogrom, not their colonized status.

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