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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says (Full interview)

She says the Palestinians treated them humanely, gave them water when they needed, tried to calm them down when they seemed frightened. "Their goal was to kidnap us to Gaza. Not to murder us."

They waited for the police response to arrive to the kibbutz and she says the police started the gun battle.

She says one of the "terrorists" (her words, translated of course) decided to surrender, took her with him, when they got outside she said there were Israelis dead all over the grass; the interviewer asks if the Palestinians did it and she says no, it was the crossfire. She says the police undoubtedly shot them, or at least some of them, themselves. "They eliminated everyone, including the hostages, because there was a very very heavy crossfire."

She says they fired two tank rounds into the small kibbutz home they were all in, killing everyone inside including the hostages, after she was released.

With all of the friendly fire incidents, the clear video we have of IOF troops being completely unprofessional and panicking from even rocks being thrown... I think in the fullness of time it will turn out that a huge proportion of the dead Israelis from the Flood were killed by police, IOF, or settlers. As this woman pointed out - the Resistance weren't trying to murder people, they were trying to capture hostages for leverage.

edit: video was made private and re-uploaded or something, can now be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-ESUGUUMk

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

When American POWs said they were treated humanely by North Koreans, the US government said they got brainwashed and threatened to suspend their citizenship and charge them for treason unless they rescinded their confessions.

Later on, the US would be exposed for experimenting on their own citizens as well as other westerners in their MKULTRA mind control bullshit.

Some of the veterans who rescinded their confession walked back on their rescission later on when the war became forgotten to say, “yeah I didn’t get mistreated.”

Burchett also said that Vietnamese prisons for American POWs were like a European resort. He got grilled for “making light” of the situation, but even his critics acknowledged that he was correct in reporting that American POWs weren’t mistreated systemically

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

You don't exactly want to tell the people wading through mud that they could be living it up as a POW

[-] charly4994@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Wasn't just MKULTRA mind control, but even just shit like intentionally exposing a bunch of random people at a health clinic to radiation to see what it would do on an unsuspecting population.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

True, but I was specifically mentioning MKULTRA because the accusation that North Korea brainwashed the POWs into saying stuff with some communist black magic. It’s why the US started its mind control and supernatural nonsense experiments because they heard rumors of the communists doing the same

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That can't be true, I watched Deer Hunter so I know for a fact that American POWs were forced to play russian roulette in Vietnam

[-] ArsenLupin@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

The video went private you wouldn't happen to have another source?

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

hmm, i don't have one to hand right now but it was on the electronic intifada's channel

[-] theother2020@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

Video is private. Was it public earlier?

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, it was public to begin with on the electronic intifada's channel

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