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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Oppressed where exactly?

Everywhere but Israel that has a Jewish population.

Do you think my conclusion is that thinking that the word anti semitic has lost all meaning due to it's abuse of the word is anti semetic?

I agree that using antisemetism accusations as a shield against criticisms of Israel/zionism has murkied up the waters but not that it means antisemitism doesnt exist. I think someone mistakenly thinking The Goldbergs is antisemetic until they found out jews made it is just a weird anecdote and drawing a conclusions from it is silly.

I'm a bit sus of you're overal attitude here, especially since you're bringing up this weird anecdote in response to something where its not relevant. I'm not sure whether I'm ready to call it intentional antisemitism yet. Though you asking "where are Jews oppressed actually" is definitly adding to the antisemetic column.

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I never said anti semetism doesn't exist

I said that the word it self really doesn't mean anything any more. It's been so thoroughly abused over the past decades. It's a weapon and it's used that way. And eventually verbal weapons lose all potency. Especially when you have a nation of zionist committing genocide labeling why critique as anti semetism

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Alright, well, I agree with that, I just feel like the Goldbergs example was a weird one to bring up in response to what I posted? And then the asking where exactly jews are oppressed really put me off footing with you. But yeah, obviously the word has been heavily made murky by misuse.

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago

I guess my point with that example is it doesn't really matter how anything is framed. Or how nuanced you are. Or the tips you get from anti zionist Jewish people. Some people will label anything anti semetic. Getting pointers about how to not come of anti semetic doesn't really do anything.

Sorry thought it was clearer than it came off.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

OK I get you. I think we as leftists who presumably care about Jews and not being antisemetic because antisemetism is bad, should make an effort to make our rhetoric not be antisemetic because we want to not be bigots, not to convince entrenched Zionists who won't be convinced anyway. Like, I don't think tumblr OP's post was about winning arguments.

[-] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I would like to point out that ive been using Jewish people and not jews for a reason also. The word jews can role of the tounge of non jews in not a great way.

Either way. If you are going to engage with this conflict in person. Get ready for blow back no matter how well you frame things. To be honest just tell them to follow norman finnestein or any of the other great jewish people that detest zionism.

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