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Thank you. The best way to fight this is quoting scripture. Half these chuckles haven’t even seen a bible, let alone know what the words inside say.
If any of the chucklefucks actually gave a shit about what the bible says, they'd all be as socialist as Jesus and would've burned Trump at a stake for being the antichrist.
You can't deprogram religious extremists with religion.
I'm Jewish, and thus not an expert on Jesus by any means. Still, even I know that Biblical Jesus would be a socialist today, not a Republican.
He gave out free healthcare.
He fed the hungry without charging them.
He hung around people who were on the fringes of society.
He worked against the wealthy.
If Biblical Jesus were to magically appear in modern society, the only reason he would enter a MAGA church would be to flip a few tables.
Wasn't Jesus Jewish though?
Yes, but his teachings aren't part of Judaism. Especially when you get into the "Jesus is the Messiah/son of God" stuff that Christianity has.
Not looking to deprogram with religion, just logic. And even though they will be mad at me for pointing out their flaws, hopefully someone somewhere will go “hmm..”
It doesn't matter, they pick and choose what they want to believe. If you try throwing scripture at them they just contort themselves into a pretzel trying to explain why that particular scripture is not to be taken literally.
Just because they will be 100% unwilling to admit to you that they are actually physically experiencing the feeling of doubt, does not mean it isn't actually happening.
Don't expect them to be honest about what's going on inside them though. They value fighting, never giving up, persistence, dedication, loyalty, strength, power, confidence and security. None of these things makes it more likely for them to admit to you when something they disagree with might sound reasonable.
It's a defense mechanism. Can't just give it permission to function though.
You do have to back off before you actually infuriate them though, as the emotion of anger will strengthen the defense mechanisms dramatically. Better to walk away having peacefully left some food for thought. You can't convince them though, being so readily convinced would itself be unacceptable to them, just on principle.
This. Best explanation I ever heard of narcissism is that we all eventually reach a point where we feel intense shame. It's a chasm. Some people look at it, fall in, and never recover. Some people look at it, realize the danger, and stay away from the edge but don't run screaming.
And some people see it, and become so terrified, that they pretend it never happened and will fight anyone who reminds them of the shame.
That's the narcissists, which are empowered by systems of religious dogma. Very often they're least faithful - they're just lying to avoid anyone around them finding out.
I find it fun backing them into corners and them becoming enraged. I then point out that they are not being very Christ like, and that usually ends my conversation with the charlatan.