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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine, though we will switch next week to a new country.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

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Links and Stuff


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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

I was going to put this in the dunk tank because a leftist account quote tweeted it to dunk on her for saying "Im happy about it" re: a genocide and people in general are saying shit like "americans are so self centered, this isnt about elections" and "grifter taking the oppurtunity of a genocide to tell everyone she was right all along and settle twitter beefs".

But then i ran it by some friends to check to make sure I wasnt off base and they were saying "no its good that she's saying that people should have realized that Biden was bad all along"

So now I'm not sure because I have no confidence in myself to to CPTSD so I dont have my own opinions so Im wondering what people think? Thanks.

Oh the tweet: https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1717976394234200250

[-] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

The "I'm happy about it" part might be mildly insensitive phrasing, but nothing more. Everything she said wouldn't be out of place as a comment here, not deserving of the dunk tank.

[-] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

your friend is right
it took blatant genocide for them to move slightly left, that deserves criticism
though it is good that they have the correct stance on palestine

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

I think it's cringe because she's making an ethnic cleansing be about her. That's nasty.

~~I’m happy about this, so I don’t want to name names, but~~ there are a lot of people saying that Gaza is their “red line” re voting for Biden who derided ~~me~~ [progressives/leftists/insert leftist tendency] for saying the same about promises broken to millions of working class & poor people living in America, families devastated by mass incarceration, health care crises, climate change etc. Clearly, their “vote blue no matter who” logic wasn’t as sound as they pretended ~~when they were attacking me. But hey, I’m glad you’re here.~~

This is how the tweet should be like, but obnoxious grifters like her have to make it be about themselves.

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

In a vacuum I agree with you, but I think a black woman of some political prominence who has undoubtedly gotten hundreds if not thousands of threats of physical and sexual violence gets a bit of a pass for making it about her

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Hm, I think your friend is right, whatever other problems bjg has.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

OK thank you and to the other replies. Twitter dunks from The Vascular Dude tricked me I was tricked. (I am very easily influenced and my brain is mush because of CPTSD)

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's rough. In person, if someone tells me a blatant lie firmly and dominantly enough, I'll just wilt. :(

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

BJG isn’t wrong but her “how can I make this about me” thing is kinda sus. I don’t have a strong opinion her one way or another. She seems fine, not worthy of the dunk tank though.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Could have phrased it slightly different, but she makes a good point.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Word. She could have been much crueler and more caustic, and that is a missed opportunity.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

"who derided me" really gets me, but I have a pretty low opinion of BJG. I read this as her just being happy to be able to feel victorious over people who were mean to her on social media.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

It kinda smells like "I told you so" dipped in "moral highroad" sauce. Using Palestine as a shoe horn to break up support for genocide joe is cool and whatever but where is she asking them to go? Is this even a call to vote for some other party or just a call to demand a new candidate? Is she using this as a pipeline towards marx or just more american politics?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

There's nowhere to go. I totally understand, after all the abuse we got, wanting to just scream "this is what you wanted!" At liberals until my throat bleeds.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

saying shit like "americans are so self centered, this isnt about elections"

Yeah, this is dumb shit. Liberals using "don't make this political" BS as a get-out-of-jail-free card.

It's all one struggle. How a corner of politics contributes to it is important. We may not have the time and energy to focus on all of it, but we shouldn't deride others for doing so in the areas they focus on and prioritize.

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