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[-] MxM111@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago

Why are you saying “with no regards”? If Israel wanted to destroy civilians , as oppose to Hamas militants, the casualties would be way, way higher. Hamas uses civilians as shield, makes military hardware storages in those mosques, and other civilian buildings. Where is your outrage for that? And are you saying that Hamas can do, what it did, purposely target and cruelly kill 1400+ civilians, continue shooting rockets trying to hit civilians, and Israel should do nothing, because Hamas uses its own civilians as human shields?

[-] MooseLad@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They've literally leveled entire city blocks and neighborhoods, wtf are you talking about?

EDIT: And obviously I don't support what Hamas is doing, come on. Just that killing thousands of people via bombs is fucked up and not the best way to kill militants.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

Honestly, do you think that Israeli deference force sees a civilian building and says “let’s down that building, because it looks like civilian and we can kill lots of people there!” or “we detected rocket launch from this location, let’s destroy the point, while minimizing civilian casualties”?

Seriously?

And then consider what Hamas is doing/has done for comparison. Answer the same questions for Hamas.

Yes, IDF knows that casualties are possible, and even likely, but they simply cannot stop just because Hamas uses human shields. Because then nothing would prevent Hamas to kill as many civilians as they want without ANY punishments, because they would always use human shields.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

And there it is. Fighting for survival, defending yourself, etc is one thing. "Punishment" is completely different.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Hamas removal is not punishment. Some people might want to kill for punishment reason, but that’s not what Israel is doing.

[-] MooseLad@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So genocide is okay in your eyes as long as a fraction of the people you bomb are terrorists? How would you feel if your loved ones died and you lost your entire neighborhood because someone living a few blocks away was a terrorist? You have no food, no water, and no home because a small percentage of the people in your neighborhood performed an action that you had no part of.

Is it worth the current death toll? Eight thousand dead in Palestine, 24 straight days of bombing, 29 journalists killed, and 3500 dead children is okay in your book because of some terrorists? That's not including the 21,000 people that were injured. 183,000 residential units, 221 education facilities, 24 ambulances, and 38 places of worship damaged or completely gone. 34% of hospitals on the Gaza Strip aren't functioning. Six thousand bombs in six days. That's the number dropped on Afghanistan in one year, and Afghanistan is 1800x bigger.

I understand that they are hiding behind civilians, but there is a middleground between letting Hamas run wild and threatening to turn Palestine into a deserted island.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

I would feel horrible, and what is going on in Palistine is horrible, but in my opinion Hamas did have choice and Israel does not. Therefore, the horrible things that are happening right now are squarely Hamas fault. It would be Israel fault, if it targeted purposefully civilians, but it does not.

You can call it genocide, whatever, but it is Hamas that doing it with Israeli hands. Israel just can’t stop because of Hamas is using human shields. Because otherwise, Hamas would do again and again in future which would lead to even more wars, more people dying. Do you want this to be repeated each couple of years? Then yes, argue for Israel to stop.

this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2023
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