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I've had more conversations about this than I care to count. (lemmy.world)

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[-] Hereforpron2@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 year ago

All those immoral lions relying on killing for their food. Just unnatural and immoral. If humans were meant to eat meat, we'd have teeth specifically adapted for it and digestive systems designed for omnivorous diets. Oh wait...

[-] debil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Oh yes, we borrow our moral from lions so eating one's own children is equally alright then.

[-] Hereforpron2@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 1 year ago

You'll have to take that one up with Jonathan Swift. He makes some pretty convincing (obviously satirical) arguments.

Obviously it's not 1:1 and there are plenty of carnivorous/omnivorous animals you might find less objectionable, but the point is that there has to be some acceptance of nuance on both sides or neither can ever be "right." The claim that veganism can't be healthy is obviously BS, but so is the claim that there's nothing at all that can make meat eating acceptable.

Tbh though, I was scrolling "all" and didn't notice this was posted to the vegan community. I wouldn't have interjected just to say this if so, cuz I think going out of your way to be combative on any side of an argument tends to be counterproductive and more about oneself than the actual issue. So my apologies for that, but I stand by the point that there are ethical ways to eat meat that both omnivores and vegans would benefit from recognizing. If its a black and white issue, factory farming is no worse than raising your own livestock sustainably or hunting invasive species for meat. Rather than push people towards better habits, the all or nothing murder argument encourages an acceptance of the status quo by saying "meat is meat and it's all equally murderous according to vegans, so I might as well go for the cheapest stuff that is easiest to find if I am going to continue eating it." In any case, this isn't the place for a two-sided debate as a community by and for only one side of that debate. Zero judgment there, just didn't mean to start one in that context.

[-] teuniac_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If lions were able to eat predominantly plants and fruits they would do so because it's easier and requires less energy.

If humans were meant to eat meat, we'd have teeth specifically adapted for it and digestive systems designed for omnivorous diets. Oh wait...

Since we're the product of evolution we're not meant to do anything. Evolution is reactive to changing environments. In terms of what our physiology is most suitable for is predominantly hunting and gathering, with a bit of meat from hunting occasionally.

The fact that we have some sharp teeth and can digest meat doesn't mean that we have to consume the enormous amount of meat that we're currently eating. The health department of pretty much every Western Country says that its population eats unhealthy amounts of meat.

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