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The whole situation sickens me
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Yeah bro, those dead Gazan kids agree with you. The Israelis seem pretty indiscriminate. Hamas was too, which is why the whole situation makes me sick.
Should Hamas be hunted down like dogs? Yep.
Should you blow up hospitals to get at them? Nope.
Should you kill 10x the civilians your attackers did? Nope.
you've got to be a gymnast to land the mental backflip to suggest that Israel's response is reasonable. If the tables were turned, I'd be just as outraged.
No, you don't get it. You know, there's all these details and context and it's so much more complicated than that. To put it the way you did is just so simplistic and misses the point. /s
Ok, so some basic guidelines for the acute scenario. What's your answer to living right next to your mortal enemies for eternity and one of the teams isn't even a nation state? Historically many such responses weren't quite so half assed and were acutely devastating but prevented such future skirmishes by eliminating Nation-states. In the era of organized terrorism, eliminating nations doesn't necessarily solve problems. It's Such an ugly mess. If you think rational decisions are going to be made during flare ups with decades of underlying tension, you are not considerding the big picture well enough. I don't have the answer, but I'll always come down hard on terrorism as it's exempt from many of the diplomatic pressures that have been proven to establish contractual civility at least.
Isn't it weird how so many Palestinians hate Israel for absolutely no reason?
Let's rewind to the part where you look at why they are mortal enemies, and realize that the same problem is still happening in the West Bank at the same time as the mass murder in Gaza.
Don't intentionally drive them out of their homes in an ethnic cleansing and steal their fucking land and kill them off every couple of years like 'mowing the grass'.
Maybe don't slaughter them when they try non violent protests.
Maybe don't have an apartheid state that south Africans that suffered under an apartheid state described as being worse than South Africa.
Oh, while we're on that topic, maybe don't give weapons to south Africa when the rest of the world is boycotting them for their evil, or test nuclear weapons with them?
Maybe don't try to ethnically cleanse your neighbors?
Sadly, I know all of those were apparently too much to ask.
What Israel is doing to Gaza is terrorism, and I don't believe that you always come down hard on terrorism.
A war is won when a nation state is eliminated or surrenders. You can only defeat terrorism by eliminating all the terrorists which is impossible as long as an ideology persists. Not having a nation state status means things like the Geneva convention don't even apply to you and you have no head of state that can be taken down or map that can be redrawn, there is no feasible endpoint to your wrath and you are only as peaceful as your least peaceful member. This is a cancerous state of affairs. Terrorism and war are fine lines and I'm not arguing sides here as far as who's actions, present day or historical are More or less just. But yeah, I'll always come down harsh on terrorist organizations, they take wars that could have discreet endpoints and allow them to last forever.
Unfortunately we can't condense 75years of modern Israeli/Palestinian history into a 2 panel Simpsons meme to explain that, yes Krusty Burglar is evil but Homer had previously committed several atrocities of his own including the rape and murder of The Burglar's family and is now throwing grenades into the audience because they didn't do enough to stop the Burglar.
But this is justified by the Simpson's religious/cultural beliefs, themselves formed in response to violence and trauma committed by others, and funded by the religious fanaticism of the Flanders family who believe the Burgler has to die to usher in the end times.