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What cute rhetoric! Sure scores points on social media!
At the base of it, we're talking about taking rights from people without due process.
Repeat after me:
"I'm OK with that as long as it seems like something I agree with."
Wait till that shit gets used against you. Are you seriously saying judges and cops should be able to take your rights without trial?! Or, more likely, you think such a decision will only be limited to the 2A, and therefore gun nuts.
"SCOTUS is a bunch of right-wing fascists! And I hope they vote sensibly on taking judicial action against people based merely upon an accusation!"
Pick one?
Cute rhetoric to match your own!
So do you oppose holding people in jail who've only been accused of a crime? For example, your friendly neighborhood serial killer gets arrested and held without bail until trial, losing nearly all of his rights in the process. Are you really arguing this person should walk free because he hasn't been tried and convicted? Doesn't this precedent also create a slippery slope where before you know it, we're all forced to be microchipped and tracked by the government?
You seem very opinionated without having actually sat down and thought your argument through to any logical conclusion.
The murdered people would probably like their right to life back, or do they not have any right to try and stay alive in the face of reasonably forseeable violence.
America is fucking weird man.
Point being, what other rights are we OK with giving up, on the strength of an accusation?
@FunderPants said something mean to me! I believe he intends violence!
That's a ludicrous exaggeration, but you see where I'm going. Legal precedence is a powerful thing, and it can be used by bad actors, and it will be, bet on it.
All kinds of rights actually, freedom of movement when you don't get bail, freedom of speech through a gag order, we make this kind of trade all the time because rights come into conflict. When rights come into conflict judges make decisions on which right to abridge , and which will take precedence. And you know, the safety and security of domestic violence victims is more important to me than the temporary inconvenience of a weapon owner. You can get your guns back out the box when your day in court is done ne, but dead people never come out of the box.
What are they going to do next, stop me from leaving the country if I'm accused of a criminal act and potentially a flight risk? The nerve! A bunch of old dudes who didn't wash and owned slaves told me I could go anywhere I wanted armed and goddamn it I will