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How does a loving god let people like MTG happen?
Hopefully, the American people will stop letting her be in congress, and she can be forgotten to the point that the Magic: The Gathering folks can have their letters back.
I prefer calling her Perjury Greene for that reason and because I watched her commit blatant perjury during the hearing to determine whether she was fit to run for re-election. In a court setting. Under oath. While it was streaming live for the entire world to see. No consequences whatsoever 🤬
Not American people. republiQans in north Georgia. Yes, they're American people, but the're also dumb enough to have voted for her twice now. So. Y'know, it's not great.
Technically, the rest of the Americans could also remove her from congress, by electing congresspeople who would remove her. But that's even less likely than Greene being removed by direct voting.
It would have to exist in the first place to allow or disallow anything
"i always thought there couldn't possibly be a God, with all the evil in the world. But perhaps... all this evil exists because there is a God. Perhaps, yes, perhaps this God just isn't a particularly nice guy. It's possible that God isn't a DJ, but an arsehole."
"You know the saying that God created Man in His image? Well, look around. If you assume that God is an arsehole, it suddenly makes a lot of sense."
Freely translated from The Kangaroo Chronicles by Marc-Uwe Kling
God doesn't interfere. IE not a prayer based vending machine. God gave us a "how not to make Hell on Earth" manual and we added all kinds of "empower me at the expense of others" to it.
As regards Empty G's behavior, "I learned it from you!", where "you" is the collective Human species.
*God doesn't exist
Fixed that for you
Prove it, then we'll talk.
Can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to prove your absurd claim that your invisible sky daddy is real.
No, the burden of proof is upon the person making the unprovable claim. I claimed nothing.
Just because a claim fits your bias makes it no less an unsupported belief than anyone else's unsupported belief.
Again, you can't prove a negative whether it's true or not. The positive claim, which is unproven and therefore to be deemed false, is the existence of your magical master being.
Try brushing up on the nature of proof and the scientific method before you embarrass yourself further.
Then it is a belief. And you can prove negatives, just not grandiose ones. I can prove there is no salt in a solution. But until I prove it, that is a belief and not a given. The fact that the scale is the entirety of Reality makes no difference in the applicable Scientific proof required from the claimant. Negativity or affirmity is irrelevant. A claim which can't be proven is a belief and nothing more.
Try brushing up on the argument you are attempting to make. Your desperation to argue against a claim you assume I believe has you floundering. There was no positive claim. The negative claim made was made in an attempt to reinforce their weak faith by forcing it upon others. Just because your equally weak faith can't survive others not agreeing makes the negative claim no less a belief. It remains nothing more than your belief no matter how hard you stamp your feet and demand others must prove you wrong or accept your unsupported claim. Simply not how it works.
Or more precisely a delusion
Nope. That's simply not how proof works. You can statistically prove something to be unlikely, but you can't prove without a doubt that something isn't the case.
No. Not believing in your invisible sky daddy is by definition the opposite of belief. A lack of belief is a kind of belief like no car is a kind of car.
And that's how much I'm gonna entertain your lunacy. I was about to adress all your other falsehoods, but life's too short to spend too much of it arguing with religious zealots who think they're making logical sense.
Your insistence upon arguing against what no one claimed is insurmountable. Perhaps when you've got enough faith in your own belief system, you'll be able to engage with others. Until then go ahead and stamp your feet all you need.
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Aww, so edgy.
Yeah that can't happen - BUT: it's been theorized that humans are born with the ability to language. Like, talking good be wired up in there to start. Which. I dunno, seems like something.
Seems like evidence of fucking evolution, yeah. Turns out language is favorable for survival and cooperation.
And Evolution is a process which started why? Where'd all the energy come from? Seems your belief system is no less full of holes than anyone else's.
I don't know how the universe began because it happened 13-26 billion years before I was born. However it is fair to assume that there were some factors that we don't understand, and it is healthy to understand the limits of our knowledge, as well as how far centuries of meticulous science has helped push our collective understanding.
Pretending to understand all of our universe's questions through a story made up by ancient bandits, whose answers directly contradict those we have undeniably proven through science, is just stupidity in this day and age.
Maybe, hypothetically, there was some creature of another dimension that was able to create our universe in some kind of container. Maybe all the energy of the universe really did just appear out of nowhere. But we have no evidence, and your story is still made up.
You're not wrong, you're just focused on ancient bandits. Which is cool. They suck.
True. Yahweh was just another tribal god which represented one small group, conflicting with hundreds of similar gods, and just happened to rise to prominence which caused those with faith to write fanfiction. Highlighting the origins show the absurdity of the whole belief, and that's why I focus on it as a talking point.
You keep going after that strawman and eventually someone may question your desperation to defend your faith based theories no one cares about.
I don't have a faith, you're projecting
I seriously question whether you even have "the ability to language", as you so eloquently put it, this far into your life let alone be born with it.
Don't cut yourself on that edge, me boy.
It’s edgy to disbelieve in something that has no factual basis?
They probably think its equally edgy to say Santa, Buddha, Karma, Yahweh, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc don’t exist. None have been proven not to exist, so by their logic they all simply MUST.
Flying Spaghetti Monster DOES exist! It's proven by the inverse relationship between the number of pirates in the world, especially ones of the Caribbean that aren't Johnny Depp, and global warming.
Reaching pretty hard on that "logic" there.
Needing to mention that Santa/FSM/etc doesn't exist every time it comes up is the height of edgy. Everyone knows, nobody cares cause it's rarely relevant.
So them being fake is a given, yet your god is somehow different?
No, that was my point.
God doesn't exist, the only people who feel the need to wrap their identity around it (or lack of it) are edgelord atheists and fundamentalist Christians.
sure, but don't equate 'obsessed edgelords' with people making simple factual statements online
most atheists don't think about religion much at all except for when it's presented to them in the form of people making illogical claims online. at that point it's fair to offer the contrary opinion so the people passing by the thread can make their judgement as to what is and is not crazy
it is completely reasonable to compare santa and the tooth fairy with god because they are all mythological, which presents the question of why people treat one as sacred and the others as simple stories. it highlights the irrationality of beleiving
Sorry, who exactly do you think are the perpetrators of basing their entire existence on it? The atheists...?? Fuck me, just look at what the religious right are up to in the US and then compare that with the atheists... Delusional
Literally nothing edgy about stating that magical sky daddy is a story made up by ancient bandits.
tips fedora
Agreed sir you are a gentleman and a scholar!
Stating a fact is edgy? Lmao
You don't believe in 199 gods, I don't believe in 200 gods
If your sky daddy was the "right" one, why would he even allow all these other "false" religions to exist and cause death and chaos? Seems like a dumb ass to me if so
He doesn't, all those people that believe in false gods are just damned to hell for all eternity.
Why is that the criteria for eternal damnation? Believe in the face of a total lack of evidence, that's the question upon which burning for ALL ETERNITY hinges on? That "God" is an evil psychopath and deserves nothing from us.
And if his power somehow comes from our belief, then all the better to rid ourselves of that belief. But if he's omnipotent, why does he require our belief and servitude? Seems like absolute insanity to believe in that to me.
And those people that believe in false gods are damned just because if where they're born? What a sick fucking god you worship.
We are on the same page here brother, fundies are fucking nuts. 👍
I was pointing out that all these religions are basically playing the lottery on whose strict beliefs turn out to actually save their soul. Not to mention they could all be wrong and there is no afterlife or at least no "final judgement". Or that the one "true" religion could not even exist yet, or it could have died off a long while ago. It's not worth playing.
Ah I see, sorry I misunderstood my dude! 👍
How do I tell the difference between a world with no God, and a world that has a God that uses its unbounded knowledge and power to hide its presence from us?
You don't. That's on purpose, to test your blind unwavering faith, and you won't know your score until after you're dead. Just follow without question whatever your spiritual leader says in order to maximize your chances... ain't that convenient?
Just like all the Atheists do. Convenient? Not really. Seems harder to believe anything unprovable than to believe things you can poke with a stick.
The more important question is, "Does it matter if there is or is not a God?"