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Why do people keep saying the Republicans "don't want" or "are trying to avoid" a government shutdown when we can turn on CSPAN and watch them work tirelessly to ensure a shutdown?
News orgs seem to always take conservatives at their word, even though that word is pretty much always a lie.
What do you mean "Subpoenaing Hunter Biden won't stop the government from shutting down"?
I dunno, I believe it. McCarthy fell on his sword to avoid a shut down. I bet the polling (not to mention history) shows that they would be the ones to pay the political price because they have the majority. It’s not even clear what they would gain from a shut down at this point.
The thing is tough, they could very easily avoid a shutdown by cooperating with the Democratic party. But they won't.
Imagine an escape room with an open door, if you can't get out of that room, you're not trying.
That’s also political suicide for them. A shutdown under their watch, or cooperating with Dems despite technically having a majority are both costly. Which is why they’re in the position they’re in.
I’m genuinely surprised by all the people saying they’re doing this on purpose. They seem miserable and furious with each other.
It is absolutely true that working with the Democrats is political suicide for them, but it's not like their voters are going to remember it tomorrow. They have the collective memory of a fruit fly. They may be pissed and bitch for a little bit but there will be hundreds more strawmen to distract their voters with in the next year.
Perhaps "on purpose" doesn't go for the whole Republican assembly outside of the Crazy 8, but they're definitely not trying as hard as they say they are.
Voters absolutely have punished parties for shut downs, and for being too cooperative with the enemy. People get primaried out of a job for a lot less than working with the other party against their own colleagues when they have the majority. It’s almost unprecedented. This has already destroyed the last of McCarthy’s pathetic career. Honestly, this is as silly as people who said that Republicans can “simply” vote for Hakeem Jeffries for speaker to end the stalemate. It’s just not how US politics works.
I think lemmings are wanting to endorse whatever makes Republicans out to be the most intentionally nefarious — and look, I’m all for that because fuck Republicans — but it’s just plainly untrue here. They clearly hate this situation. This is not intentional.
TBH, except for the fact that the civil servants wouldn't get paid and Congress will, I'd be fine if the House took a year-long sabbatical. Not like they're going to accomplish anything, with Mike bringing loser bills to the floor at every opportunity.
To me, hoping government does nothing is more of a conservative thing.
I would normally agree, but at this point, with the MAGA Republicans holding the purse strings (the House can do a lot of damage by messing with budgets), I'll take a bit of gridlock in the House.
Nah nothing ridiculous will get through the senate and Biden’s veto. The US is often described as having the most vetos of any democracy in the world.
That said, if and when the Senate or the Presidency flips, I’m with you.