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Nearly half of Democrats disapprove of Biden’s response to the Israel-Hamas war, AP-NORC poll shows (apnews.com)

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The poll found 50% of Democrats approve of how Biden has navigated the conflict while 46% disapprove — and the two groups diverge substantially in their views of U.S. support for Israel. Biden’s support on the issue among Democrats is down slightly from August, as an AP-NORC poll conducted then found that 57% of Democrats approved of his handling of the conflict and 40% disapproved.

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[-] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Weren't they on the cusp of a two state solution before Arafat pulled out?

[-] xerazal@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Yea.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution

Arafat's negotiators on the Palestinian side were serious about wanting a two state solution and wanted to come up with a deal with the Israelis, but something stopped Arafat from going through with it. He told clinton he didn't want to give up Jerusalem as it's a holy site to muslims (it is for Jews and Christians too, so ngl I don't think anyone wants to not have Jerusalem. But that's Arafat, not all Palestinians. Yes that was their leader, but yk not every leader has unanimous support from the people.

[-] roboticide@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He basically was willing to discuss all the areas where the Israelis were making concessions. He wasn't willing to discuss any of the areas where the Palestinians were supposed to make concessions. So it seemed like he had just said no.

But what I subsequently learned - about 18 months ago, I had a dinner with a former Palestinian negotiator who'd been part of the delegation. He said the whole Palestinian delegation had decided among themselves they should accept it. They went back to Arafat, and Arafat said no. I subsequently heard from another Palestinian on that delegation who said Arafat thought he could still do a better deal under Bush because he thought maybe Bush will be even more forthcoming.

Holy shit, so Arafat alone basically blew the best chance we had.

Jerusalem should just be made a UN protectorate or independent third city-state at this point as part of a two-state solution (like the Vatican).

And yeah, I know everyone will hate that idea, but hey, at least then everyone will hate the idea.

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