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[-] DannyMac@lemmy.world 202 points 1 year ago

It's depressing that something like that is needed in the first place.

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

Yeah it is. I've actually heard people make this argument too. How stupid do you have to be to believe that?

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How stupid do you have to be to believe that?

stupid enough to re-elect DeSantis

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Ol' Pudding Fingers, himself, king of the Go-Go boots! The meatball-iest of Rons!

[-] ripcord@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago

At the Atlanta History museum there's a whole "both sides" exhibit on the civil war that makes this argument (and makes me vomit).

They put it in just in time for the '96 Atlanta Olympics and it's been there ever since.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Atlanta has a bunch of traitors carved into a big rock on the side of a mountain too.

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[-] constantokra@lemmy.one 23 points 1 year ago

Having read the standards, possibly the worst part about them is that it's not written such that you have to teach that racist bs, but it's obviously written to give cover to those who do. So it's not so much that it's supporting a bullshit way of looking at slavery as an institution in the past. It's really supporting the horrible people who continue to think that way today, and enabling them to pass it on to a new generation.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 1 year ago

They're not stupid, but they're trying to ensure the next generation is.

[-] Salamendacious@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ugh... yeah you're probably right

[-] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Alright I'll bite. Why did it help?

[-] drislands@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

IIRC, the common argument is that modern Black Americans have great opportunities by virtue of being in America. Without slavery, they would have been born in Africa.

This is ludicrous for a variety of reasons. It's the same kind of thinking that leads to people saying your relative died "because of God's plan", as if suffering always has a good reason to it.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

They overlook the destabilization of Africa that went on during colonialism that led to its current state

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The lesson Florida is teaching is that slaves learned 'useful skills.' They don't say who those skills were useful to though.

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah this argument fails because it subverts the context slavery existed in with a modern notion of American exceptionalism, and applies it in a transhistorical fashion to events in the past.

[-] Kalkaline@leminal.space 3 points 1 year ago

I could make a half hearted Devil's advocate argument about it, but ultimately it's a major detriment to the people living under slavery. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=evi_i7R0SFQ& just listen to the words of this letter and tell me that it was a benefit.

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

Even with the Devil's Advocate argument, sure they may have learned skills that could have benefit them after they were freed, BUT THEY WERE SLAVES.

Also, it ignores the fact that society exists in Africa, so its not like they'd all be in loincloths or w/e the racist caricature of Africans they have is.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Also, how about all the slaves that were never freed because they died before emancipation? How did they benefit?

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

It's like suggesting the holocaust benefitted Jews because they got Israel. How do you even apply this logic... that it's okay to do evil because eventually something good is determined to happen that makes up for it? Do future generations getting a good thing justify the system that perpetrates oppression in the present day? Something good happening isn't determined, and calling the post-war existence of freed slaves "good" is also a stretch.

[-] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They don't. It's just bullshit they made up to distract and confuse you. It's a congress of baboons throwing shit at the wall to see what will stick.

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