It's an interesting one this. My wife's mum is Iranian and my brother in law is Pakistani and I've heard (so take this with a metric tonne of salt) that families that emmigrated from middle Eastern cultures are often much more strict that those who didn't.

This is simply because the community in the country the emmigrated to is much smaller and more isolated so doesnt allow views to slowly shift as easily as in a large group where you can more easily find like minded people if there's a point you don't agree with.

But like I said, I've only heard this so maybe it's bs, I've never visited either country myself so it's literally just another's opinion. But I found it interesting and it made me think a bit more about how hard it must be to feel like you belong in a country different than your origin. Obviously we (the west, generally speaking) have the benefit of seeing comfortable Christians in comfortable situations who are able to more easily challenge the traditional beliefs, but I wonder whether a typical Christian family who emmigrated to a non Christian country a generation or more ago would be more strict as a rule.

I think Christianity is the same backwards blight on humanity as Islam. They're equal in their hatred of the 'others'.

And it's really the same problem...it's not 'some' Christians that hate progressive values...it's 'most'.

For the love of fucking God, we just outlawed abortion.

So don't pretend any of the ultra religious are good for us as a people.

The majority of people in the Netherlands aren't religious, though. The same goes for some other European countries.

In the larger context, it appears to me that the author is arguing that when there are bad faith actors in a larger group, it becomes the responsibility of the larger group to denounce the actions of the fringe.

It is not the same as saying the whole is responsible for the actions of the few.

This isn't a novel idea in our society.

-We expect all Catholics to denounce the actions of pedophile priests, and if they don't, we do view them as part of a systemic problem

-We expect all white people to denounce racist behaviour when other white people do it, and if they don't, we do view them as part of a systemic problem

-We expect all men to denounce mysogonistic and sexually predatory behaviour when they see other men do it, and if they don't, we see them as part of a systemic problem

If I were to take any issue with the original post, it seems to imply that the broader community IS silent on extremism. I don't think that this is actually true. I think that the media systemically dampens the voices of Muslim people, EXCEPT when they have extremist sound bytes, which causes an incorrect perception of the general Muslim sentiment.

So, that is where the error is.

NOT with the idea that it's the responsibility of anyone in any group to call out bad behaviour within their group... But that they don't appear to believe that it is happening.