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this post was submitted on 25 Nov 2023
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Which classical sense are you referring to?
From Wikipedia:
Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism which advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. Classical liberalism, contrary to liberal branches like social liberalism, looks more negatively on social policies, taxation and the state involvement in the lives of individuals, and it advocates deregulation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism?wprov=sfla1
And your contention is that OP, commenting in 2023, without qualifiers, is referring to a term referring to 200-year-old conservatives?
Either way, the meme is either using an incorrect or irrelevant term.
You are giving op more than the benefit of a doubt.
You obviously did not know why "liberal" is a pejorative term used by those from the left, of all the people you would least expect to do so based from contemporary (mis)understanding.
Not even close. Like OP, your false assumptions render your point invalid.
Umm... do you realise what lemmy community you are commenting on? Probably not even close.
Of course I do. You don't even know how to check which community you're posting in?
No wonder you sound so confused.
I presume you are American. Outside of the United States, left and liberal does not usually mean the same thing, except for Americans who are orthodox left/socialists who could make distinctions. OP and the post are coming from orthodox left criticism of liberalism. He is not making any conflation.
I see you responded to other comments also making similar explanations to you. But it seems that you won't just let up despite being corrected and acting snarky. You got a lot to learn not just the broad historical development of political philosophies.
Presume away.
You seem to be very good at that.
Well I presume you're too proud to admit you are wrong.
It is your strength. Accuracy, relevance? Nah.
But presumption, you've got nailed down.
K 'murican
Consistent.
Yes, logical fallacy is consistent for you.
Please, keep projecting. It's hilarious.
It's like you're reading word of the day toilet paper.
Like that toilet paper, the substance of your comments is thin and full of s***.
I know you're trolling at this point but I will bite.
I'm convinced you were dropped on your head when you were little to be so obtuse. Or perhaps too American to understand anything outside of their own bubble? How do I know you're American? You even censor yourself.
Constructing your own little fish bowl around your head made entirely of your own projections.
You are self-diagnosing accurately, so I guess there's that.
Keep coping 'murican.
Your projection is bright enough to read slides off of.
This one titled "crackajack" says "inferiority complex"
Well, if people read your responses including to others, they know who's got the inferiority complex.
It'll be pretty clear
I am not surprised it took you long to figure out you're the problem out of couple of people explained to you liberal and left are not the same.
I'm surprised you aren't embarrassed taking so long to come up with misleading responses.
50% of your comments are incorrect assumptions and the other 50% are misleading statements, this shouldn't be so difficult for you.
I am surprised you still even have the capacity to think after all the brain dead responses you provided to me and to others.
5% of your comments is full of ignorant assumptions, another 5 is logical fallacy, while the rest of 90% is just full of arrogance. But ignorance is bliss, I guess. Whatever makes you sleep.
And now you're just straight up copying me and calling names.
Keep swinging!
get a room
You're propositioning me as well? What a popular thread.
I just want you two to make out behind a closed door and stop this inane bickering.
Says the propositioning commenter who tiptoed down the path left by our dozens of comments?
Likely explanation.