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Israel arrests almost as many Palestinians as it has released during truce
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Thousands are under "administrative detention" which is imprisoned without charge.
That just sounds like hostages with extra steps.
Oh it’s okay, these people aren’t from Gaza. So they’re not related to the conflict going on.
This is just what day-to-day life for Palestinians is like under Israeli occupation. This stuff has been happening for decades.
No, no, no.
Just like there can't be such a thing as State Terrorism "because it's legal so can't be terrorism", there can't be State Hostage-taking "because it's legal"!
/s
The term I've heard for this the establishment equivalent of a terrorist: a "horrorist" (best link I could find here (2007) about Israel/Palestine conflict, America's "War on Terror," etc).
Basically what they do is legal, and according to plan, and somehow more respectable and orderly than what the terrorists do, but still the outcome is human suffering, often on a much grander scale than what any terrorist could hope for. For instance the accidental bombing of a school (oops!), or in the use of white phosphorous (which turns the divine human into a lump of abject suffering).
"Horrorists" can make you quake with fear, but unlike the terrorist, they have the legitimacy of a democratic state, and powerful allies to back their actions.
The term I heard for this is "state terrorism".
The actions speak for themselves and how established or not the power of the actors doing the deed is, has no relevance for the moral quality of such actions.
Using different language is a trap put in place by those in established power - it segregates what morally are the same kind of acts into two groups, by how established the power of those doing the deeds are, and the acts of the well established power are relentlessly portrayed using those special separate designations as if they had a morally different character - ann acceptable one - than the exact same acts when committed by those outside established power structures.
This is why, say, when an Israeli soldier shoots on the head a child throwing stones at an armored digger, it's not designated in the media as "murder" or even "terrorism" even though from a strict "taking no sides" judicial point of view it is definitelly the former and depending on intention might very well be the latter.
So yeah, murder for the purpose of scaring the rest is terrorism, no matter if those doing the deeds are part of a well established power structure, called "soldiers" and using 500lb bombs dropped from military planes that cost many millions of dollars or part of a group which is not a well established power structure, called "rebels" and using knifes - the means and how well entrenched the power structure behind the acts is are both irrelevant for the dtermining the moral quality of that deed.
I agree, but I do feel like the harm committed by "state terrorism" is worse, in a way I find hard to articulate. It's true that using a separate word can be a useless distinction, but it does feel different to me in an important way.
But I'm not the kind of person who needs convincing that the state can sin just as well as the individual, so maybe my perspective isn't applicable.
oh yes you can... However when you are sentenced for stabbing two people literally like at least one of the prisonner freed you are not, in fact an hostage
That explains 1 in 5200.
Only 5199 to go to explain it all away: so go on, don't be shy.
I would love to hear how you explain the ones in administrative detention (guilty of the crime of "walking whilst being Arab"?!)
And don't get me started on all the kids convicted of "assauting with stones an armored digger razing their home" and the palestinians convicted of "hurting 'colonist' fists with their faces" or "defending their homes from a superior race".
you must really believe in 13/50 eh? or does racism stop being a factor when you do enough of it?
what the hell is 13/50 ?
you can search it up on SPLC's or ADL's website
Just learning from the US.
Wait till you hear that they also sometimes cover your eyes, tie your hands behind your back, and leave you there to sit for hours to "cool down" and this is totally normal IDF behavior. No charge, no witness, no crime
thing is when HAMAS gives it prisonners list, it is, strangely, more the "I stabbed schoolchildren" than "I tagged anti zionist slurs on the police station wall" crowd that is requested to be free
Ah yes, the 39 women and children released on Friday definitely stabbed schoolchildren. The list of 300 people Israel plans on releasing, most of which are underage or teenage boys, definitely stab schoolchildren.
Because of the IIIrd Reich recruitment service we know that a ten year old can even be trained into anti tank warfare and other funny things. Considering the childhood program created and played by the HAMAS there are reasonable reason to consider that possibility
We have countless pictures of 15 y old full blown HAMAS fighters. So yes absolutely. Second you went from describing them as children to teenagers, a notable change in vocabulary.
Now you don't want reflexion or constructed thought ? Okay you want to know how I feel ? Well i want to vomit, that is horrible.
As much as it is horrible to brainwash teenagers into fighting for a movement who would murder their sisters if she dared to kiss a girl as much as it is horrible to use ww2 mass bombing tactics on an overcrowded cities as much as it is horrible to see ethnic cleansing
I understand that people, especially children, are malleable into believing and doing horrible things, and it's a fact that this will happen to many under Hamas or as a consequence of the ongoing conflict regardless of Hamas, but it's also unfair to those hostages to assume that they're already murderers. It's a tragedy waiting to happen for multiple dimensions of reasons for many people involved in this entire conflict (wouldn't you be radicalized if you saw your entire family covered in rubble or being treated like trash by other groups of people?), and it's extremely unfortunate, but we can't just instantly label them all as bad apples for something that may or may not happen to them, or that may or may not describe them currently. They're still children, we can't cast the dice on them, or we're no different from those radicalized beyond common civil morality.
It's crazy to have to wait for Hamas to do the UNSC's work