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AI have no rights. Your AI creations are right-less. They belong in the public domain. If not, they are properties of the peoples whose art you stole to make the AI.

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[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

I have almost complete aphantasia and dysgraphia. I can describe a picture but I could never draw it even on a computer. Despite the technology to overcome my Neuro divergency being at my fingertips I shouldn't own my creations because you don't like the tools I used?

Ableist Classist Luddite. "Art is only for the few who can dedicate years of study to perfect their technique and fuck any technology that makes art more accessible. oh and digitally made music isn't music."

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

you shouldn't be entitled to copyright on it

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

why? Because I made it on a computer? or because the code that the computer used was very complex? or because during some of the code uses data that is freely available on the internet?

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

because you didn't write the code for the algorithm, you didn't make any of the training data pictures, and you didn't do anything that could be considered 'creative' or 'talented' to make it. Real fucking artists that put hours of time, effort, and creativity into their work deserve to have it protective. By plugging in "looking at a sunset from a mountain" or some shit into stable diffusion doesn't make you entitled to the shit it puts out. terrible take.

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[-] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Rubbish. You're just assuming the user put in little effort. It's perfectly possible to put in little effort using pen and paper too. The end result looks less like a final piece, but it's probably equally close to what the artist tried to express. No one who uses downloaded brushes in Photoshop write the code for importing and drawing with those brushes. Nobody who uses photo textures wrote the code for their cameras. Nobody who uses Blender wrote the code for the light transport that happens when you hit render.

Drawing a style guide, drawing the composition with a sketch, and paint overs are all completely normal parts of the process when using Stable Diffusion, and none of that is where the creativity comes in.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

you're right, that was a bad argument

the problem is that the AI trains off of the data of unwilling artists without credit.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

because you didn't write the code for the algorithm, you didn't make any of the training data pictures, and you didn't do anything that could be considered 'creative' or 'talented' to make it

Did you invent the paint brush?

Real fucking artists that put hours of time, effort, and creativity into their work deserve to have it protective.

Working hard does not have any intrinsic moral value. That is puritanist brainworms. There is no value in suffering.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago

you are right. i'm sorry. but the issue still stands that the programs that create the art use other artist's work for their own profit with no credit. these people are having their work just, stolen from them.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

They are having their art used in a way they didn't expect. That is a problem in capitalism not a problem of tech.

[-] blakeus12@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

agreed, but that doesn't make it any more ethical to partake in it.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Is it any less ethical than producing art when your art supplies are tainted by exploitation? When you are living on land stolen through genocide? when your way of life is built on the subjugation of the global south?

The fact is there is effort and creative input involved in making AI art no matter how miniscule that effort is. This ruling protects that effort and creative input from being used for profit by anyone who pleases. It isn't protecting AI tech. its protecting producers form exploitation and that is all.

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