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In other words, they are lying. No reasonable person would expect a job post to show anything other than the hiring range for the job. Otherwise, there is no point to having it. It says nothing. It also says no matter how much money you earn the business, your income is capped. F*** THAT!
Treating applicants like they're marks drives away the quality candidates.
In one interview, I got to the stage of talking with an AVP, and he asked my salary expectation (rather than stating the amount he wanted to pay). I gave him mid-point on the range, which given my decades of experience, was very reasonable. He was clearly shocked.
If you won't pay for the expertise, don't waste my time. Also, he demanded the date of my degree, which is against the law, so he (older than me) was ageist, too.
I recently started a new position. I had to be escorted in and out for the first interview. On the way out, the hiring manager complimented me twice that I'd done so well in the interview. The second interview was over Zoom, so there was no shared elevator ride at the end, but I got the job.
It was at the lower end of what was advertised. And even though I've received really nice positive feedback a few time (today, "professionalism and patience" was mentioned, I think I'm getting close to the most my boss had a budget to give. I base this on observations and gut feeling, nothing empirical. Just a vibe I get.
I think the org lied on the job req. I blame HR rather than my boss. I actually quite like my boss.
This company is an international financial institution based in NYC. The mid point of the range was about 10% below where salary surveys said a person at my point in my career should be paid where I live for the job description.
Don't try to find "good" reasons for this crap. The range went from entry level pay for a non-senior developer to way higher than anyone should expect to get. They maliciously complied with the law, like the employers in this article are doing.
I since got a job for a similar base pay plus bonus (thank God) from a much smaller but fast growing company.
So, unethical, illegal, in order to intimidate an applicant. Would you work for that person even if you did get it?