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[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Stalin did re-criminalize homosexuality after the Civil War due to extreme loss of population at the time.

I have seen no documents that support that claim. One can try and make the claim that in the lead-up and during the Great Patriotic War the Stalin administration recognized the great desperate state they were going to be in / were in, and understood there was a need to marshal all levels of Soviet society leading to the decision to end the prosecution of all religions to the point of encouraging state collaboration in order to further motivate the proletariat to fight against the fascist genocidal invaders, and one can cite the Imams of the many Stan countries who called the War against nazi Germany a jihad or the Orthodox patriarch who wrote

"We want to be Orthodox and at the same time recognize the Soviet Union as our civil motherland, whose joys and successes are our joys and successes and whose failures are our failures. Any blow directed at the Union, be it a war, a boycott, some kind of social disaster, or just a murder from around the corner, like the Warsaw one, is recognized by us as a blow directed at us."

While there are no documents as far as I'm aware declare the softening towards religion and implementation of policies favored by the social conservatives that make up the religious factions as a means of strengthening the Soviet Union to fight harder during the Great Patriotic War exists, I would say that this period of history is one where you could draw correlations to causations as the most likely reason it occured.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I did read and post a translation of the bill and it's comments on the homosexuality criminalization, I don't feel like searching for it but the big thing is they thought homosexuality was lowering birth rates when that was the topic of the day postwar, and it was even implied to be temporary along with other measures. Cuba is taking the correct approach now, if you want LGBT people to have kids, you need to support non traditional families.

I chalk it up to traditionalist and non scientific brain worms, they ended up walking back most of those changes once they actually measured them. The demographic crisis after ww2 can't be understated though, I recall reading a worst case scenario projection for it and they expected the Soviet Unions population to half

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Thank you for your work as always, Tina! I'll have to go over it when I'm having breakfast tomorrow.

Cuba is taking the correct approach now, if you want LGBT people to have kids, you need to support non traditional families.

Cuba gang stay winning

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah the Soviets eventually worked in some really groundbreaking stuff encouraging people to be single moms with state assistance. Needed to keep that energy for everyone

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Reading about childcare in the Soviet Union sometimes seems like a dream, I'd give an arm and a leg to be able to have kids in an environment like what they were able to build.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

I agree and I stand corrected if that’s the case. I’m mostly regurgitating stuff I read from analyses from Russian communist telegrams but I don’t know their sources and how historically accurate those are.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

There's a stupendous amount of archival data to still go through, not mentioning its all in Russian, it always stands possible that a communist over there could've stumbled on it ahead of us and all the other professional Soviet scholars thus far.

It just seems very unlikely as it's a case of, as comrade Fidel would put it, toxic machismo cultural brainworms that just weren't ready to get pulled out at that time

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