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Who's winning the war in Ukraine? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Subject6051@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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The media won't give me great answers to this question and I think this I trust this community more, thus I want to know from you. Also, I have heard reports that Russia was winning the war, if that's true, did the west miscalculate the situation by allowing diplomacy to take a backseat and allowing Ukraine to a large plethora of military resources?

PS: I realize there are many casualties on both sides and I am not trying to downplay the suffering, but I am curious as to how it is going for Ukraine. Right now I am hearing ever louder calls of Russia winning, those have existed forever, but they seem to have grown louder now, so I was wondering what you thought about it. Also, I am somewhat concerned of allowing a dictatorship to just erase at it's convenience a free and democratic country.

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[-] dudinax@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago

They have quite a lot to gain by it. Getting the other side stuck in a quagmire has been the preferred strategy for both sides in US vs. Russia for decades.

[-] Kissaki@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They would gain more by cooperation or ignoring.

It's just that you can't do that when the other party is actively destructive.

Doesn't make it a gain in my eyes. Labeling it a gain at least requires a contextualized qualification. So saying the EU is interested in prolonging the conflict is very disingenuous.

EU would have far more to gain ffrom Russia leaving Ukraine. Saying the EU wants to prolong the conflict for gains is disingenuous, at least misleading or ambiguous.

[-] dudinax@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

What the West gains is a diminished Russia less inclined to adventure. That's a big gain.

The most important goal in this situation for the West is to avoid war with Russia. Since Russia has the resources to wage the war for a long time as long as the West doesn't join it, then whether Ukraine wins is purely a Russian decision.

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