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[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

Burning the quran is functionally incitement to violence.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

As a free speech advocate I will claim your post is an incitement to violence and therefore you should be arrested.

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Cool, you have every right to do so, but a court woukd likely find that a reasonable person would not consider that comment to be inciting violence.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I wasn't aware that Chamberlain was a judge

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Yeah keep stalking my account and reply to every single comment. That will show how well adjusted and sane you are.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -1 points 11 months ago

Sure. Call back when this is regularly a source of widespread social disturbance.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Infidels should be praised

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Why, is there some reason you associate Islam with violence? I can go ahead and burn a Bible, a Torah, a Mormon Bible, a copy of the Pali Canon and the most danger I am in is getting a strongly worded letter. Is Islam in some particular way different?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

People keep arguing from first principles as if politics is an abstract question to be solved by correct application of moral reasoning.

I am not talking about Islam in general. I am not interested in that discussion. I am not talking about abstract ideas. I do not care for top down idealism, I care for bottom up pragmatism.

In empirical practice, in our times and in these societies that we live in, this act has consistently increased the level of animosity, has incited violence, and is specifically being used to do those things on purpose. A democratic society can decide to put reasonable limits to it to protect peace and order. The fact that it remains a democratic society means that it retains its right to undo these limits at an appropriate time if it judges them to be hurtful or useless.

Trust democracy.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Is Islam in some particular way different?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

Different than what? The law doesn't single out Islam, it makes it illegal to publicly burn any religious text.

"Is Islam different", such a weird question. As if there is one single "Islam"? And as if there is nothing unique about it, like what, are all religions interchangeable like Coca-Cola and Pepsi? This is an entirely pointless question. Unless you're trying to tease out if I'm an extremist, either an islamophobe or an Islamist? In which case, ask your question directly, I guess?

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

I asked why you associate blasphemy against islam with violence and you are working really hard to not answer the question.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

April 2023 riots in Sweden.

I reject however your framing as an association of Islam with violence. I reject the framing of making it about an entire religion. The framing I'm choosing is one of social peace and what endangers it.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

Do you need me to repeat it again?

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