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Thousands call for Gaza ceasefire on central London march
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So what does a ceasefire mean? If Hamas is not releasing the hostages and continues to fire rockets and bullets at Israel how is that a ceasefire?
Hamas wants to release the hostages as part of a ceasefire agreement. That's why they took them in the first place.
Also, Israel declared war against Palestine in 1967 with their occupation, and against Gaza specifically in 2005 with the blockade. From that point onward Israel is the aggressor; if they give Palestinians peace and then Hamas continues firing rocket attacks your point holds. I haven't seen anyone make the point you're arguing against.
Why did they stop releasing them while there was a already a ceasefire? No one has answered my original question. I'm just trying to understand that.
The ceasefire was for a limited number of Israeli hostages and a limited number of Palestinian hostages to be released, along with a limited time truce. As for why that's the case, Israel didn't want a permanent (or long-term) ceasefire. They vowed the war wasn't over the day they signed the truce, remember?
For Hamas? Nothing. There a news about Hamas firing rockets from humanitarian zone, for example. There a video of Hamas stealing humanitarian supplies. They don't care about all this "political" fuse around them. They never have been. They just wanna kill jews, cause that is their religion.
Upd. Also, before voting on my comment, look closely what Hamas did. And if you still proceed to defending point "Israel is wrong it's need to be stopped" I will at least know whom I dealing with.
A ceasefire comes about as an agreement between the parties. That's why it is hard to get to (Hamas won't stop defending Gaza, and the IOF doesn't want to stop shelling/infiltrating). In order for the two parties to lay down arms even for a moment is with negotiations and agreements. We saw during the ceasefire, multiple negotiations, resulting in specific numbers of hostages from both sides released. These numbers weren't decided at the time of release, they were specifics negotiated and agreed upon between parties.
Everyone that I know, that is calling for a ceasefire wants to see a permanent ceasefire. Not one that begins with Israel stating they will return to obliterating Gaza as soon as its over, but one that results in a process toward Palestinian self-determination, ALL hostages released both by Hamas and Israel. Keep in mind, Israel holds thousands of Palestinians hostage, including many without charge or trial and during the ceasefire, Israel detained more Palestinians than they released.
There is one issue though: Hamas will never negotiate with Israel (they literally want to wipe out every single Jew) and current israel's government probably won't negotiate, as well.
Hamas does not want to wipe out every single Jew. From their 2017 charter:
And yes, I agree Israel won't want to negotiate, because they have no interest in allowing Palestinians the right to self determination, which is what Hamas would be negotiating for.
Just a point of clarification: Israel does not hold hostages. Everyone in Israeli custody is suspected, charged, or convicted of a crime.
Some have argued that Israel's criminal justice system is severely broken, and that it's very biased, and even that it is rife with wrongful convictions and lack of due process. But it is counterfactual to say that Israel is holding hostages. No one is held by the State of Israel as a civilian who was captured and held on threat of life with the purpose of being released in exchange for a political goal. You will never hear Hamas supporters name even one.
People can twist and torture the definition of the word "hostage" to the point that it becomes meaningless in an attempt to establish some type of moral equivalency, but it will never be objectively true.
Holding someone in "military administration", without trial, without charge, without access to a lawyer or family, for political gain sounds a lot like a hostage to me, ESPECIALLY when the detainee in question is a child, of which there are hundreds.