717
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 15 Dec 2023
717 points (99.3% liked)
News
23305 readers
3628 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Don’t forget, Biden never wanted to give Covid relief checks either, it was only the threat of Trump promising to do so that caused him to actually do it (in order to win in places like Georgia if I recall correctly). Then he shortchanged everyone on the actual amount he promised (I don’t care if when you read the fine print he was technically correct, that was not how the promise was pitched to voters).
Trump is far worse, but let’s not forget how pathetic the Democratic Party is at actually helping desperate people.
You are definitely correct in the general sense. People actually to the left HAVE to remember: Democrats are allies only against the right. They are not ideologically aligned and no matter how many individuals you can pull left, "Democrats" will never be left or progressive.
They HAVE to be pushed to do good things. That doesn't magically make Trump good. Fuck that wannabe dictator and everyone who supports him, but Democrats are allies only against the right.
Most Democrat voters are not leftists, so it stands to reason that Democrats would not be leftists.
Why are you trying to speak on behalf of all democrats?
And why do you feel democrats are only allies against the right?
I speak on behalf of the label. Like I said: "no matter how many individuals you can pull left..."
The party itself is not a specific person. MAYBE people like AOC and others will succeed in shifting the whole party left, but as it stands, it is a heavily center-right organization on the global scale of politics as far as how they vote in-house, on actual legislation.
Most aren’t even allies to the right. If we’re being honest, they owe far right.
Biden never wanted to give Covid relief checks
Where did you hear this?
Then he shortchanged everyone on the actual amount he promised
I thought Congress decided the amount?
Here's an article that summarizes the controversy around the amount
tl;dr - Biden campaigned on $2,000, so a lot of people thought they were getting $2,000. Turns out it was just $1400 because he was counting the $600 the Trump admin had already sent.
I remember the controversy and would’ve preferred the full $2000.
I remember Republicans saying they wouldn’t let the full $2000 pass. So Biden lowered the amount so that it would actually pass.
Because Congress had the final say in what would pass. Right?
If Congress had the final say then Biden shouldn't have kept saying $2,000. But I guess you don't get elected by only making promises you can keep
So you feel Biden should’ve stuck with that original $2000 and let Republicans block the bill which would’ve resulted in nothing for the American people?
This whole exchange shows why we're doomed. This guy is shitting on Biden for not giving him more money, but still giving him as much as he possibly could. Meanwhile it's the other party's fault the number is smaller to begin with.
Oh he should have predicted what arbitrary number the Republicans were going to dig in on and only promise that? Like they wouldn't have used that as the new starting point in negotiations and gone even lower
He should have said $1400, since that's what was going to happen.
How can he know what Congress would pass before they say? Or are you expecting him to see the future?
Some guy gives you $6.
I say I'm gonna give you $20.
I get you $14 and I say it's $20 because of the $6 from before.
Do you not get why people would be upset about this? Stop thinking like a wonk and start thinking like someone who reads at a fifth grade level and had their civics class cut due to lack of funding.
No, it's some guy gives you $6.
I say I'm going to give you $20.
When it comes time to give you the money later, a third party says no.
I give you the $14 that I can give you.
You ignore that the third party got in the way and you told me it's my fault.
I trust AOC more than some dude on the internet
You should start thinking this way, so that the things you say are correct and relevant.
Read this very carefully; winning an election doesn't mean that you get to do everything you want. Again; winning an election doesn't mean that you get to do everything you want.
There are a lot of people who don't seem to understand this concept. Winning an election just means that you get to try to do what you want, but you're always going to have to make compromises because that's how democracies work.
Voting doesn't work and elections mean nothing. Got it.
But that doesn't prove that Biden didn't want to send checks at all. You answered a different question.
I mean, am I in Biden's head? No.
Is there any other reasonable conclusion to draw from his behavior and rhetoric in the political context he was in? No.
The process involved congress but the president had most of the power to frame and shape what the covid relief checks were.
It's almost like the president doesn't have absolute authority to implement ideas exactly how they like, and have to work with other branches of the government, which usually means compromising.
Wow. Guess we really should pivot to authoritarianism. Then campaign promises can be implemented to the letter. /s if that wasn't obvious.
I mean, am I in Biden's head? No.
So you made that up.
Is there any other reasonable conclusion to draw from his behavior and rhetoric in the political context he was in? No.
Republicans said they wouldn’t let the full $2000 pass. If Biden tried it anyway it wouldn’t pass and Americans would be left with nothing. That’s common sense. But you claim there is no other conclusion to come to…
The process involved congress but the president had most of the power to frame and shape what the covid relief checks were.
And Republicans in Congress said they wouldn’t let the full $2000 pass.
Source on this? Even if it is true democrats did nothing to publicize this fact, the fight for this shit is like Biden's "fight" for a $15 minimum wage. Even if he technically fought for it, the strategy is so poor and so halfhearted it hard to count it for anything meaningful.
What was poor about his strategy?
The only other strategy would be to write a bill that will go nowhere.
How is that a better strategy?