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Americans, what are your plans if Trump wins in 2024?
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I've been visiting English speaking countries and kind of scouting where might be a good option if America had a serious issue. Canada would be my first choice because of proximity and shared values. New Zealand #2, then probably UK or Ireland.
I'm a cybersecurity professional with a lot of experience and I hope that would be welcomed in most countries but idk. I don't want to move, and would stick around for a bit to see initially how things go but if it kicks right back to 2020's level of insanity I'm 100% out.
The braindrain will be noticeable. It feels a bit like all the famous Jewish scientists that Germany would have proudly claimed as citizens except for that Germany would have killed them before they accomplished anything.
Hopefully, this will be nothing like that. But Trump has supporters. It blows my mind, but they are numerous. In terms of polling, Trump's dictator talk isn't old news yet. I have some hope that polling might show that it spooked some supporters.
Just preempt some replies, please note when someone expresses "some hope", telling them that they're likely wrong isn't exactly insightful.
Fwiw it has spooked my traditionally conservative parents, they don’t follow politics much but as the GOP has moved further and further right it’s pretty much driven them away. So while anecdotal they have always sort of acted as the pulse of the nation (to me) for that demographic. I seriously don’t think he’ll win again but I would never bet on it.
Cybersecurity is definitely in demand in Canada but we are also going through a housing affordability crisis and generally our tech salaries are lower in compared with the US. You would almost certainly be taking a step back in standard of living unless you swing a remote work situation from a US employer.
I think I’d be taking a step back in any country besides the US, I think. In Canada the people are fantastic and hockey is everywhereso I think that makes up for it in a few ways . My honest only real concern is US instability also eventually affecting Canada too. So might make sense to be further away.
I don’t want to move though largely like my life in the US as is at the moment.
Hey, I also am (becoming) a CyberSecurity professional. What are some entry level positions I should go to with a degree?
Studying cybersecurity helps, but you're not likely to get a job in cybersecurity until you have had multiple years of experience in development in a software company, from my experience in the US in the tech industry.
I hope somebody directly within the cybersecurity field can recommend a specific career path, but my anecdotal experience is that you have to work a few years before you will be considered for something security related.
It's good to learn your security concepts, schooling should help with that. After that, I would gravitate towards learning the security around newer commercially viable but immature technology and seek positions around that area whether in security or not. To me, if I was just starting out I'd look towards AI and Machine Learning, which isn't a very unique answer but probably the correct one for the fastest advancement in this path. Learn the different types of models, learn what kind of attacks their susceptible to, the security controls and mitigation techniques for defending these systems. It changes frequently, pay attention to Github's trending section to see where the tech world's focus is as a decent barometer of where things are heading (not necessarily where things currently but going towards).
Overall security is needed everywhere so get a taste of a lot flavors and see which ones you like best, you'll likely be able to find a job there.
How is immigrating to NZ like? Is Canada less toxic to foreigners than the US, i hope?