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Florida man pleads guilty to threatening to kill a Supreme Court justice
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How I feel about this very much depends on which justice he threatened to kill.
I'm mildly surprised there hasn't been more reactionary stochastic terrorism from the left. I guess we still have optimism while the right has had it beaten out of them every day by the news and, well, I have to assume they make their own daily lives pretty miserable anyway.
It isn't happening as much from the left because we understand that the full power of the state will be used to crush the left violently and without remorse in a way that doesn't happen to those on the right.
Imagine if the actions on January 6 were done by leftists. What do you think we would have seen play out instead?
Depends if they were all white
The Left is smarter. Interpret that however you like.
More to lose, as well.
Maybe the secret ingredient is human empathy. Not that crazies are unique to the right by any means, but the organized effort to dehumanize and attack segments of the population has gone disproportionately mainstream on that side of the spectrum. So many talking points involve a vaguely-defined "enemy" of some kind. It's unfortunate that people get sucked into it, but you can't really blame the individuals when the leaders they look up to are actively working to mobilize them in that way as a political strategy.
I guess the ideological space the left fills at the moment just isn't one that requires that type of anger to support. There are certainly issues to get angry about, but in general it's just taking that low-hanging fruit of giving your fellow humans the same respect you would want for yourself and your loved ones, even if they seem different or weird to you.
Yeah I suspect you're right.
The problem is that the left are the good people, lmao. That's why it takes so long until they start pushing back. Everything has to really go to shit until the left are picking up the pitchforks. It's a bit tragic ngl
Is it??? Anyone calling public servants with death threats I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with
When the SC publishes ethical rules legalizing bribery, they’re inviting anyone with a sense of justice to take matters into their own hands.
We need a Batman but unfortunately its because of billionaires that cause this. Could we crowd source one?
Shit take. Anyone calling in death threats is ethically bankrupt at the very least. What justice is there in murder?
For legal purposes, this is only a joke.
It's really the only way for a normal person to effect the SC. They are given lifetime appointments, it doesn't say how long those lifetimes have to be.
Checks and balances, yo.
Many of you here need to grow up.
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The Supreme Courts decision to gut abortion rights has threatened the lives of millions of women. I can see where someone would find justice there.
At some point it becomes self defense.
Maybe guys wife died because she was refused health care.
Im the last person to approve of SCOTUS. Does that mean I think it's ever right to call in death threats to like, anyone? Absolutely fucking not. I think it's truly insane that anyone here is entertaining this. Imagine (well, you don't really have to) the "other side" doing this shit. It would be reprehensible, just like this bullshit. Hell, for all we know it was a "liberal" justice getting threats and suddenly our opinion on this situation changes? Screw that.
Two wrongs and all that. Eye for an eye... surely there is some simple saying that makes this easy to understand
I guess so, but I'm not seeing a ton of liberal policies that are causing harm to individual lives. I think that's where you are seeing a "double standard" appear.
It's not just about the double standard, it's about right and wrong. If we abandon our morals at the first sign of adversity, then what do we stand for? How can I stand for democracy if I'm okay with the life being snuffed from those who disagree with me. That's not democracy. There is no room for political violence
There's justice in ~~murdering~~ removing by any means dictators like the H guy, Stalin, Putin... What about their main advisors? Then what about the influential people who prop them up? The line is somewhere.
One could argue certain judges'/politicians' responses to COVID, Ukraine funding, women's healthcare, etc. are already costing far more lives than they are helping/saving.
Cynical leaders tie themselves to the alternate track and see how many bodies they can stack on the main line while daring someone to switch the trolley.
On one hand, you're absolutely correct. On the other, our founding fathers were very clearly A-OK with murder of "tyrants"...
If the Supreme Court is willing to let women die in hospital parking lots because they don't like a modern interpretation of the due process clause, and if they're willing to inexorably beholden us to cultural norms from multiple centuries ago and also allow politicians to systematically eliminate our ability to influence the political process in any meaningful way, then they've made very clear themselves that a certain amount of death is inevitable and acceptable. Frankly, it was only a matter of time before desperate citizens followed that train of thought through to its logical conclusion.
You'd be right to think that, what with the whole "Revolutionary War" thing, but it's interesting in that the whole reason we have impeachment is because of Benjamin Franklin's opposition to assassination:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/173296
“What was the practice before in cases where the chief magistrate rendered himself obnoxious? Why, recourse was had to assassination in which he was not only deprived of his life but of the opportunity of vindicating his character. It would be the best way therefore to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the Executive where his misconduct should deserve it, and for his honorable acquittal when he should be unjustly accused."
Madison followed:
"It is indispensable that some provision be made for defending the community against incapacity, negligence, or perfidy of the chief magistrate. The limitation of the period of his service is not a sufficient security. He might lose his capacity after his appointment. He might pervert his administration into a scheme of peculation or oppression. He might betray his trust to foreign powers."
Thomas Jefferson: "What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
The system is constantly changing. We have the power and tools to effect change, despite the recent backsliding. SCOTUS is corrupt, yes, but we should be trying to change it, not making fucking deranged phone calls threatening people's lives
This comment was removed out of an abundance of caution, while I brought it to the other moderators for their thoughts. After a discussion, I agree that I acted in haste, and I truly am sorry.
I’m against the death penalty for two reasons. One, it’s surprising (and disturbing) how often “solved” cases turn out to be wrong, and convictions are overturned. Finding someone innocent does no good if they’ve already been executed.
Two (and I’m not proud of this one) if someone has done something worthy of the death penalty, I want them to suffer. Dying by quick, painless lethal injection is relatively easy. I want that asshole to spend decades in a cage, and not get an audience for their parting words.
Death row inmates are usually there for quite some time but, yeah, I agree with everything else you said. Capital punishment is just fucked up. Our whole prison system should be more about rehabilitation and protection of society from harmful criminals (that includes violent as well as white collar). Less about retribution. And deterrence pretty much doesn't work on the worst crimes.
Calling the current Supreme Court "public" servants is a stretch. 🤷♂️
true lol
This guy would be advocating against killing Hitler in 1943 because he's a "public servant".
Agreed but unfortunately they haven’t named the justice yet.