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Lemmy.world Should Defederate with Threads
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this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2023
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This is like saying "my email provider should block all emails from Gmail".
And they can hoover your data right now. Like, you think bots aren't spidering the site already? It's a public website.
I actually think this demonstrates the exact problem. The reason you can't do that at the email level is because Google has taken over the entire email space. Ideally, we don't let threads do that.
Nowadays you have services like Outlook blocking emails Tutanota for "spam protection". I'd really rather threads not get so big that they can start dictating how the Feduverse operates in that fashion.
As I said down thread, the easiest way to get information with the structure of activity pub is to have a bunch of users and that is because the only way information gets transmitted to a server is by caching it based on post interactions.
That is exactly what millions of thread users in the Fedeverse would accomplish.
Would email be better if you couldn't send/receive emails from people with Gmail accounts?
It would objectively be more secure in terms of data privacy.
Better, in that regard, is subjective. It sure wouldn't be more convenient, but that's why we left Reddit and came to Lemmy in the first place. It sure wasn't because of convenience.
Please elaborate how email would be objectively more secure if you could block Gmail.
You can already block Gmail today from any other provider by putting a filter on incoming @gmail addresses. How does that make email more secure?
Yeah I'm not going to criticize anyone for not liking Google. Google's done plenty to sour people on them. But this is just the height of ignorant flailing.
This is the real world and people won't "just ditch gmail".
Wait wait wait. This is the real world?
Right, but we have a chance here to keep things fragmented as opposed to coalesced around Facebook
We do this all the time. Email providers block millions of domains for spam.
I don't see any spam from threads.net.
I consider most content on Facebook owned sites to be useless spam.
Not yet anyway. I wouldn't expect that to stay the same forever though. Especially considering the amount of spam that's already on Facebook.
Facebook does not have good very good moderation on their platforms (it's only good enough to keep up their image in the public eye), and I don't think threads will be an exception to that.
I feel like it'll probably be one of the bigger sources of spam and hate speech on the Fediverse, at least for servers that don't block it.
Well gmail already blocks any non cabal emailaddresss so yeah we should all block gmail.
I've got my own SMTP server set up on a VPS and I can send to GMail addresses just fine. Am I part of the "cabal"?
Is the cabal in the room with us right now?
That's entirely different. As an individual, I have the choice to send emails to, or block emails from, Gmail.com.
But on Lemmy, if I am on an instance that federates with Threads, and I don't want Threads.net to get a copy of my content or posts (or have my content or posts show up on Threads.net in the future), then tough shit for me, my only option is to either go silent or move to an instance that has defederated from Threads.
People keep making the email argument, but it is not the same thing at all. I don't think it's fair for a large percentage of lemmy.world's users to not have a voice in a decision that will absolutely impact them, nor is it fair to have a stance of "then leave then."
If a user blocks a domain I suppose their content isn't send to that server anymore I hope?
It is. The user just won't see any content from the server they blocked.
They won't see any communities from the server they block. Users are not blocked in domain blocking.
How do you know? We should fix this on the software level.
Nope Lemmy's blocking system is cosmetic only. It's very much useless against defending from real malicious users. I assume the purpose it was built for was under the assumption that it was going to be used exclusively by easily offended snowflakes, which is backed up by the way that most users treat a person's claims regarding a malicious user or malicious instance.