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tbf who the fuck else were they gonna turn to, not a whole lot of other rich parties alligned against Russia willing to throw down cash, the real thing he should be saying is this is why you should never give up your nukes. No matter what they promise you, do not under any circumstances give away your nuclear weapons. Unless you're Isreal then you should definitely give up your nukes, ignore what I just said.
They can align with Russia, the country they share a border and language with.
I'm talking about after they are invaded clearly and I think boiling it down to language is a bit reductive, I think the USSR shouldn't have been illegally dissolved, but I also think that that doesn't give Russia permission to bully it's former soviet neighbors bc of "spheres of influence" because it ended up being the biggest soviet republic post split I'm not John Mearshimer, I don't think "Russia should have "spheres of influence" because America does" there shouldn't be any. I do think if Ukraine kept it's nukes that Russia would not have invaded recently or in 2014, I'm sure there would have been tension, but I don't think there would have been any major millitary action if they were both nuclear states.
also dont shell your own citizens for years when there's a stronger neighbor willing to defend them... but i guess it's a super easy mistake to make.
That's overly reductive and I don't care to have a conversation about it because it will provide nothing of value. If you took everything RT/Sputnik reports at face value then sure that's definitely what happened, the shelling started in a vacuum, they just started doing it for no reason at all other than their hate for Russophones, but I think that's a whole lot of cope. I don't support any of the millitary actions Russia or Ukraine has taken including the shelling, but I'm also not naive about what was going on leading up to it. Ideally the USSR would have stayed together to avoid all this mess which I think we both agree on.