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I'm reading this as Biden should just start locking the traitors up, due process be damned. Firing squads on fifth avenue. If a president can't be tried while they're sitting, and they can't be tried after they leave, none of it matters and I see no problems here. That sound right, SCOTUS?
The rightwingnuts already accuse him of similar crimes.
This is why I never feel bad about taking government aid to which I am entitled.
After all, republicans already say I, and those like me, are taking it (despite the fact that red states receive far far far more aid than blue), so I might as well just use it and actually benefit from the programs, since the negative perception exists whether I do or not.
Maybe this is the same…🤔🧐
While I don't disagree that SCOTUS might very well get around to giving Trump a get out of jail free card, they haven't acted inappropriately yet. It isn't the normal flow for this appeal to immediately go to SCOTUS; the expected result for such an attempt is denial.
They've taken things yo faster before when there is a time imperative to do so. There is here. They're breaking their own precedent.
But there isn't a time imperative here.
...what? How is there not a time imperative? Getting the case completed one way or the other before he is a candidate for president is absolutely time imperative.
ferralcat@monyet.cc says there is precedent. What precedent is there for that?
One example case was an incident at a hotel called watergate
That's a pretty obscure reference, I imagine not many people have heard about that incident. Or repeatedly made reference to it for every real or fake scandal since.
The Supreme Court expedited the Watergate case for the purpose of preventing someone from becoming a candidate for President?
Who?
No - the precident set is that the supreme court can make decisions on a case before it goes through a full set of appeals. In US v Nixon the supreme court expedited a ruling before the appeals court held a hearing, allowing prosecutors to get to work in a timely fashion. That ruling released and unsealed the evidence that ultimately lead to Nixon's resignation.
I would think getting this motion moving should help Trump, because he's clearly innocent and will be very distracted with his cases now looking to start while trying to run for president.
He has been a candidate for president for over a year now. He filed the FEC paperwork November last year.
You're being deliberately obtuse, here. You know that I was referring to the actual election, and the immediate lead-up once the major parties have decided on their own candidates. It is important to determine if Trump could potentially go to jail before he is the Republican candidate. In fact, it's important to determine if he is going to jail before then, which means we would need to know if it could potentially happen well before that.
I mean, no it’s not being obtuse. He is a candidate for president. Legally he is no different now than if he were to win the nomination.
Also, there are exactly 0 stipulations on someone in jail from running or being president. Not being in jail is not one of the constitutional requirements.
This entire SCOTUS bit is largely irrelevant other than to secure a conviction before the election, which would sway voters.
It's delaying , and aiding Trump's bullshit. Prosecutors are going to spend months of process now, for the same question to inevitably hit SC's desk, before Smith can loop back to Trump in time to start his trial 60 odd days before the elections, when he'll get to whine and complain that trials are interfering with his candidacy. What an infuriatingly corrupt institution.
There's a process, and the DC circuit is the next stop. Why didn't the liberal justices dissent? This is fairly standard.
Yeah, keep that process in mind after Trump wins 2024, pardons himself and carries on with this concept of ironclad immunity for the presidential office. I'm sure it will be a real comfort knowing we did everything we could except expedit this incredibly exceptional circumstance.
I understand the wheels of justice grind slow, and so does trump. He's weaponizing and banking on this for his escape maneuver, and that alone should put this case to priority #1.
Edit: and that's before we even consider his defense: "maybe I'm immune from crimes committed during office, forever?" is not how this concept has ever been interpreted. It's a ridiculous proposal with a simple response.