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submitted 11 months ago by kbal@fedia.io to c/canada@lemmy.ca

I agree with Pierre Poilievre: The next election should be about the carbon tax.

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[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What you're describing is the tax working as intended. Discouraging the behavior and then making people whole, with several valid and viable paths to come out on top economically.

The federal government has made gigantic investments to help average people transition since they won a majority mandate on carbon pricing 8 years ago. Free geat pumps for low income households, low interest green improvement loans for everyone else, BEV rebates nation wide, transit investments, ladder tax, implementation. Meanwhile, the average person ignored the programs and bought themselves larger and more expensive vehicles.

We had 8 years to get ready for this.

[-] jadero@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

A not so minor correction. The heat pumps are not free. The maximum payout is $5000. That has to cover the equipment, installation by a certified professional, and any necessary electrical upgrades. A ballpark estimate for my place comes in at over $6000. If I hold the total cost to $5k, the system will not be fit for purpose under the requirements of the program, making me ineligible for anything.

In addition, your dwelling must be eligible. That sounds easy until you realize that mobile homes must have the axles removed. Hitches, too, but axle removal is the big one. For me, that's another couple of grand to remove skirting, shift blocking, pull the axles out, and replace skirting.

The fact that those axles are useless because of other modifications and additions doesn't change the official designation as a mobile home. I suppose it might be possible to appeal that designation, but I'm not sure that would be less expensive.

For the heat pumps to be truly free, they'd have to nearly double the current subsidy and allow for non-electrical expenses like axle removal.

[-] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

In another world, maybe we would have had a conservative party that proposed a Cap-and-Trade as an alternative to a Carbon Tax, rather than just sticking their heads in the (oil) sands. But that's not the world we live in.

What you're touching on is a fundamental problem with any attempts to solve carbon emissions by "market forces", ie carbon tax or cap & trade. Those with the easiest access to capital are able to adjust their situation, such as shelling out for a BEV or heat pump. Those without can't and need to keep their old 2002 Toyota Corolla or oil furnace until they can save up enough to replace it, which is hard because their old stuff just got more expensive to run.

At best, carbon taxes or cap & trade is only half the solution. For the heat pump thing, I'd like to see a "rent-to-own" sort of scheme. If you can install a heat pump in my home today, and save me 10% on my heating bill, great! Meanwhile, the installer "owns" the heat pump, and the difference in the discounted they offer and the actual cost of power is their take. After some time, they sign over the heat pump, and I get an even cheaper rate without the middleman. Great in theory, but I don't trust "the market" to come up with something like this without specific legislation to support it.

But to OP's point, I have zero trust in PP to actually meaningfully improve anything. I'm pretty sure his entire platform boils down to "it's not perfect, so scrap everything and we'll commission another study to find the perfect solution". Meanwhile, do nothing.

[-] jadero@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Your "installer financed" system is sort of like what is available from some solar panel installers. I don't know if it's just a plain lease or rent to own, though.

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