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Russia reduces number of air strikes after losing three Su-34 jets
(www.pravda.com.ua)
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Just wait till the F-16 sorties start.
You won't be able to swing a cat in here without hitting a whining tankie symp.
Oh no be careful, they might start posting gifs and emojis in response to you, thus nullifying any valid argument you might have!
The latest lemmy update allows users to block entire instances.
My lemmy experience has been 100 times better with hexbear and lemmygrad blocked.
Unfortunately startrek.website is still running 18, so I'm stuck with playing whack-a-mole
Yeah, no. There's really not much value lost when blocking both Lemmygrad and Hexbear. Lemmygrad is straight up insanity, it would go down as the greatest satire instance if not for the fact that they actually believe the shit they're saying. And the loudest users of Hexbear are just hypocrites. They completely justify brigading other instances in the most offensive way possible and cry wolf when they get blocked, only to turn around and ban anyone who even remotely questions their ideology on their own instance. Blocking either is the equivalent of blocking a far-right instances, because they're all extremist.
And this is coming from a socialist who has not blocked either instance. In fact I'm more likely to get blocked by them because despite being supposedly ideologically adjacent we have very little common ground, and they don't take kindly to someone questioning their actions or beliefs.
Eh, I'm here to relax and have fun.
Not be told I'm a piece of shit who deserves to be executed because I had the audacity to be born every ten minutes.
Unfortunately this instance really isn't interested they are tankies as much as the other two you might as well ban this one too, it's a shame so many communities are on here
Oh, I thought it was because those instances are home to communities of obnoxious assholes.
If not wanting to interact with those idiots means I'm "in an echo chamber" ... ok.
Except they were the ones that created Lemmy in the first place so they could live in their own little echo chamber so if anyone's guilty of running away to hide from criticism it's them not the general public. You know because most people don't think communism is great. Mostly because they either saw it, learned about it, or lived through it.
...and lemmy.ml as well. It's tanky breading season out here.
Those stories already started, some Russian mil-bloggers say that F16s are already in Ukraine which is probably copium. But I wouldn't be too surprised if this isn't accidental and Ukrainians re-doubled efforts to take down Russian planes (e.g. via smart and unexpected movements of anti-air installations) in anticipations of F16s coming, they're a lot more useful more quickly if they don't have to operate in contested skies. Every air-to-air missile you don't need to have in your loadout is another air-to-ground one.
The same F-16s that were outclassed by the J-17 in recent military exercises?
Pakistani pilots are on record saying the F-16 is worse in basically every way compared to a design China considers to be "budget" and "outdated."
Let's pretend for a minute that it is actually better. Russia doesn't field the J-17, so it doesn't matter.
Also, there's the airframe and then there are the missiles you put on it. Depending on what these F-16 load up with can make a whole lot of difference.
I doubt they'll be doing much dogfighting. The challenge will be to get in the air, fire off missiles, and land back without getting shot down.
Edit: Oh and another thing that makes a lot of difference is radar assets. I bet those F-16s are going to get extended eyes and ears thanks to NATO AWACS flying high but within NATO borders.
China recognizes that the J-17 is outclassed by the Su-34, so it sort of does matter...
Do you mean the J-17 which was jointly developed by Pakistan and China. Who have a vested interest in trying to sell the J-17 to other parts of the world… if so then yes that very same plane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder
The J-17 was designed for the Pakistan Air Force. Any other operators (Myanmar, Nigeria?) are operators of convenience.
I see, so the Pakistani Airforce which commissioned the design and production of the J-17 reports that it is superior to the F-16…
Whatever helps the copium taste better I suppose.
The F-16 was already 30 years old by the time the J-17 was introduced.
And yet it would still have been cheaper to send Ukraine new J-17s than used F-16s.
Yeah that's just a flat out lie mate lmao
Uh source?
JF-17 is a multirole attack aircraft, F-16 is a multirole air superiority fighter.
PAF has been very adamant that nothing they have tried compares to the F-16 in performance. Their last air skirmish was an F-16 that shot down an IAF MiG-21 in 2019. Even the J-10s they recently bought are still considered inferior.
The real joke here is expecting an F-16 to actually reach Ukraine lmao. Pakistan had to basically play double agent to convince the USA to even open F-16 sales. There's a 0% chance they're going to give Ukraine F-16s for free, or even let them be leased from other countries.
Meanwhile Ukraine unveils it's f-16
Lol called it: https://lemmy.ml/post/10200774
New issue of Air Force Monthly lol
The F-16 was already 30 years old by the time the J-17 was introduced.
Newer doesn't inherently mean better.
Didn’t say it did.
I mean, even if that's true.... Is that really even a flex? The F-16 platform is 30 years older than the J-17.