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As someone with Muslim family, they will tell you that it is the women's choice. That they prefer to cover themselves from head to toe, even in blistering heat. The actual choice is to bite their tongue and wear it, or choose to deal with shame, humiliation, mockery, and often times much worse.
The rest of history has shown that women don't choose that kind of clothing when they have free will.
Precisely. Nobody should be forced to wear clothing in any faith that they don't want to.
Please don’t be ignorant
“The authors also concluded that the typical Bedouin costume has the same effects whether it is black or white. The black color does absorb more heat, but it does not reach the skin, so the color of the fabric is not important. The thickness of the fabric of these garments also favors better absorption of temperature, preventing it from reaching the skin.”
The Bedouin lesson: A scientific study proves robes are the best garment to wear in the desert heat
While true that covering clothing can protect from the sun, it doesn't do anything indoors. Yet women still wear them indoors. Also, if that's the reason they are worn, why don't men cover themselves similarly?
Don't be ignorant of the fact that women are raped or killed for not wearing them in some places. Look up Mahsa Amini if you don't believe me.
Name the places. No one is getting raped or killed for not wearing them here in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
I read the laws in Iran, and the fine for not wearing hijab ranges between 5000 - 500,000 Iranian riyal, or 0.10 - 10.14 USD, and 10 days - 2 months imprisonment. Everything I can gather outside of western sources is that it was an accident. And accidents with the police happen in the west too, the US is specially notorious for it.
Again, not all Muslim countries are Iran.
"O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their cloaks over their bodies. In this way it is more likely that they will be recognized ˹as virtuous˺ and not be abused. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
— Surah Al-Ahzab 33:59
It's right there in your own book. People have an excuse to sexually harass and "abuse" women for not dressing modestly if you interpret it lightly, and worse if you interpret it harshly. Why should women be more likely to be abused for not dressing modestly? That's terrible.
Sexual harrassment happens regularly. In India, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran to name just a few places that I have seen it happen with my own eyes. Rapes and killings are less common, but there are plenty of instances throughout history.
In modern times there are countless stories of fathers killing their daughters for not wearing a hijab. Honor killings are in the news pretty often even in the US
Yes, but most Muslim countries don't enforce Shariah law. No seriously, this is from Saudi Arabia, a Saudi actress in a Saudi film festival:
Also, FYI I'm not a Muslim.
Cite sources, bring up numbers, and then prove they are more because of Islam. So far, you are just posting noise. In Saudi Arabia it is safe to go out at night alone as a woman. This is not true for many rich and developed western countries.
I'll just agree to disagree with you as an ex-Muslim who has traveled the world and has seen the differences. I don't have time to do research for you. Also, I don't think that just Islam is the problem. It's all abrahamic religions. They are all terrible. Islam just seems to have the largest pockets of areas dedicated to denying women's rights at our current point in history. Even my less conservative Muslim family members have a terribly antiquated view on them.
Your personal experiences are yours alone. Don’t project them onto others, and don’t assume all 2 billion Muslims will have the same experiences as you.
Are you Arab by any chance? It may be your culture and not Islam.