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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by jordanlund@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

A recent post collected some comments by moderator Yobuckstopshere which were reported for being Covid misinformation. Further, comments calling out the misinformation were being removed.

This was reported to me, and after a short examination, I engaged the lemmy.world site admins who took the following actions:

Yobuckstopshere was removed as moderator from both Politics and World News. The comments were removed, and they were banned for 3 days.

This is tough for me since I value their contributions to Lemmy, and why I had to recuse myself beyond getting the Admins involved, but if it were anyone else, the comments would have been removed and the user banned, and so here we are.

Similarly, I don't like exposing behind the scenes drama so to speak, but I also believe in transparency in moderation action. It's why I reply to posts and comments before I remove them citing exactly why they are being removed. I feel everyone deserves to know why action is being taken.

Unlike reddit, there is a process for removing moderators who appear to have been acting in bad faith. Your first line of defense is other moderators, but we are also in regular contact with the lemmy.world admins whose decision is final.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago

Thanks so much!

I've had to contact you about that mod more than a few times. You always took action and gave them plenty of chance to fix their behavior.

I wonder how many others got the weird PMs from that mod where if you down voted him often he'd vaugely threaten you for it saying he can see who down votes what

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Which is a weird flex on the face of it. We have better things to do than determining where up and downvotes are coming from, unless it's a suspicious amount coming from a bot farm or something like that. Vote manipulation needs to be examined, but not your random downvotes.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

I got it twice.

Both from threads where hed have the single up vote from himself and 20-50 down votes from everyone else. So I don't know if he was sending them to everyone or what.

Also, I didn't remember it at the time, but now I remember when Lemmy was just taking off and this sub was asking for mods. One of the top mods stated requirements was potential mods would not remove misinformation because that would be biased against Republicans....

https://i.imgur.com/0Maach1.jpg

In fairness, I only saw misinformation posts from that one you just got rid of.

But thought you should know the whole mod team (except probably you as an admin) had to say that misinformation was acceptable on this sub before they could be a mod.

The ironic part is that exchange wasn't even about the one you removed.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

To be clear, I'm not an admin, I'm a mod like the rest, I just talk to the Admins on the regular. :)

In general, if someone is just misinformed, I like to treat it as a teachable moment.

"That's incorrect, here's why, citation 1, 2, 3."

If you remove the comment, people won't see the counter argument. I had this in a recent thread in a MANY TIMES SMALLER community I moderate where someone was going off on the book "Gender Queer". Tons of reports, tons of downvotes.

Polite replies, cited sources, and eventually they gave up and deleted their comments themselves.

In here, unless a comment is blatantly hateful or batshit crazy, I'd leave it as well. But if someone is unironically going on about Jewish Space Lasers or Pizzagate, yeah, that kind of stuff is dangerous and will get removed.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Lol, my bad then. Not sure why I thought you were an admin all this time.

In any case, this sub has had a marked improvement since you were added, so thanks for all the hard work for no monies!

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

A lot of the other mods are stealthy. :) Good people but they don't comment publicly. I'm the polar opposite. If it gets to the point where I have to remove a comment or a post, I want folks to know why.

Which means I get a lot of the hate, and the trolls, and the stalkers too. LOL.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

I wish there was a way (or maybe I don't understand how to do it) to filter the modlog by community. That way we could all potentially know why something was removed... assuming the mod bothered to say something about it obviously.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

If you're reading a community, clicking the modlog button in the sidebar will return only results from that community.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I can confirm this is the way to do it, just click on modlog on the bottom of this page and you will only see the log of this community.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

You can filter by the user, so if you want to see your own stuff that was impacted, that's do-able.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

If you remove the comment, people won’t see the counter argument.

If there's one thing I don't like about how lemmy handles things, it's this. It places moderators in a position where enforcing the rules punishes everyone who responds to the rulebreaker. I seem to recall this not being the case when I first arrived.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 11 months ago

This is exactly why I dont like that lemmy makes votes visible. Makes powertripping and targeted harassment so much easier.

[-] Riccosuave@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What do you mean by "visible"? Just that you can see total upvotes vs. downvotes, or is there some way to actually see who upvoted and downvoted what?

This is a serious question. I have used Connect for Lemmy since basically day one, and the only thing I ever see is the aggregate total on any particular comment which is my personal preference anyway.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

Lemmy doesn't show them, but the vote information is all public. People reading Lemmy posts via Kbin can see the voters.

[-] wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 4 points 11 months ago

The votes are all visible to admins, with a built in back room toggle for making them public. Different instances change the amount of public info. I believe kbin makes it viewable by default? There are a few others.

[-] antik@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

with a built in back room toggle for making them public

Not true. Votes are visible in the database but there is nothing built into lemmy for this.

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