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submitted 10 months ago by pingveno@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

Homes, a maternity hospital, a shopping center, and a metro station were hit as part of the attacks. The attack may have been linked to the destruction of a Russian landing ship in Crimea.

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[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Seems like they should really be negotiating a ceasefire and not dragging this out since even the US is ready to drop support for them and switch focus to full support for the genocide in Palestine.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 months ago

Come on, let's not deflect from whose to blame here. Russia is sending missiles where missiles don't belong. When Russian missiles kill Ukrainian babies in a maternity hospital, that's Russia's fault. They knew full well what they were doing.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

This war could have been over months ago or never even started if it weren't for NATO encroachment and sabotaging peace talks. I'm not defending Russia here I am pointing out reality.

All this is because the west would not let eastern Ukraine exercise any self determination after couping the government in 2014.

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl -1 points 10 months ago

Russian soldiers supporting Russian agitators invaded they did not coup. The referendum for separation from Russia was in the 90s and voted for. Anything after that is nonsense.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The referendum was a joke. I saw one piece of Russian television coverage where they were "counting" the ballots. They were holding up every paper and just saying "yes" "yes" "yes" (in Russian) without even looking at it. Also, how do you hold a fair referendum when it's done at gun point? No one feels free to say no when the people conducting the poll could just open their ballot, see they voted no, and shoot them on the spot.

[-] Tosti@feddit.nl 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You mean the referendum just last year right. I meant the independence referendum of Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR. This one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referendum. Here the whole of Ukraine voted for secession from Russia.

The referendum Russia held a referendum for Crimea in 2014 that was pre-deteemined, this one: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum.

And then Russia held one more with pre-deteemined outcome for the Donbas in 2022: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Gotcha, thanks for the correction.

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