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Russia's egg crisis is spiraling out of control
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And here in Quebec we are paying ~~6CAD(4.50)usd for a dozen...~~ While not being embroiled in a war of our own design.
Correction: The 6CAD was for 18. That is what I get for checking grocery websites before coffee - It is more like 4CAD per dozen.
Americans and everyone else constantly complaining about food prices. Meanwhile us in Canada being fucked by the same three companies and a government who (regardless of party) hasn't shown they give a flying fuck on lowering anything.
Even when Americans had the big egg shortage last year it was coming up to the average prices of eggs round me.
Utter bullshit. Half the time I'm too broke to afford food.
Is there a difference between regulations regarding eggs between the US and Canada? Eggs in the US are dirt cheap because almost nothing surrounding poultry is regulated. I'm happy to pay the premium in Germany for minimum living conditions, antibiotics restrictions, no culled male chicks, etc. but I also realize that not everyone here is as fortunate.
It varies by state. If you're selling into certain states, your chickens must have at least a certain standard of living. Unfortunately, eggs probably aren't often shipped across state lines, in which case it doesn't mean anything for farmers in other states and they can still abuse their chickens. https://cagefreelaws.com/
Less fortunate than the chickens?
In the current economic system, widespread lowering of prices is considered to be harmful. So it’s not really possible without major economic reforms. Best solution is to increase wages/income to offset higher prices.
boo-hoo. Profits are not guaranteed.
Not really the issue. Deflation is a transfer of wealth from debtors to creditors which is not necessarily healthy. It also encourages hoarding money which can cause job losses.
The only way a legislated raising of wages works is by initiating price controls, otherwise corps can and will raise prices to protect profits
But average Canadian makes more money than average Russian, therefore Canadian farmer will ask for more money to afford his shopping or farm expenses than Russian farmer would.
So fucking cheap! It's about 3+ SEK per egg in Sweden where I live.
True, but the average income / buying power has to be factored in too, right? Caveman googling gives the average Russian's income to be $14k USD / year whereas Swedes are at $47k USD / year. Assuming more caveman math, that'd be like paying $5.23/dozen in Rubles compared to $3.60/dozen in SEK.
Of course you can't just do these sort of comparisons exactly, because money's always more complicated than that, but I think it gives a better context.
Get the median, not the average income, to have a good comparison. The wealth gap in Russia is pretty big.
Doesn't look too much different. $13.5k median/year according to the that article.
Shit ton of taxes in Sweden too
Do like I did and move out to the countryside, buy a vastly cheaper house with some land, work in IT so you can work remotely most days and get some hens. Spend far less on their feed than I did on eggs and I find home range eggs to be a very appreciated going away gift these days.
I do work in IT (software engineer) but I don't eat eggs so much that I need to buy a damn countryside farm because my egg consumption is ruining me here in the city lmao. I'll eat cheaper things/eggs only sometimes. It's not the most expensive food here, in the least. 😄
The eggs is of course just a side benefit, the big thing is a house that is literally 1/10th the cost per square meter of living space.
Weeell we all have our priorities. I like to be close to friends and family and things to do like team sports, and live close to the sea. Close to a grocery store, close to daycare and schools etc.
I don't think I could live in the country. I wish I could. It's very nice to be out in nature, where it gets dark, and quiet. How I love the quietness of the countryside.
I just hate driving far to everywhere I need to go. I want to get places quickly. Too little time to be alive to be driving for hours every week. I can't.
I remember seeing a youtube video that broke down the economics of eggs, and you need like 35 chickens before your economy of scale begins to compare to the price you pay at the grocery store.
I don't know if that figure was counting assumed labor on the part of the homesteader though.
I think it depends very heavily on how you raise the chickens. And what you value - nutritional value or raw cost.
For example, if you compost all your house and garden scraps (veg scraps, clippings, bread, grains, pet food leftovers, pretty much any household biodegradable scrap) and let the chickens access the pile to dig out goodies they want to eat and scratch bugs out of? Healthy chickens, minimal feed cost through whatever months they have access to bugs and scraps, and their nitrogen rich waste enhances the compost to help it break down faster and make veg growing more efficient. Feed is more of a supplement then, and the chickens give you more than just super healthy nutrient rich eggs (plus you can eat them when they can’t lay anymore which you don’t get out of the raw price of eggs). If you can work it out so they always have access to a pile warm enough to not freeze or let the bugs die off, with enough fresh material (maybe from neighbors in exchange for some eggs here and there if you don’t produce enough on your own), that really can make up a substantial part of the diet, reducing the break even point by a lot.
Sure, it’s probably not going to be outright cheaper food, unless you have solar for coop heat and can source cheap feed (spent grain from a brewery, for example). But it is more efficient and more nutritious food, and a lot more humane than most factory farming. Plus being even partially self sustaining really does help reduce the hold corps have on us, which is always a win.
Probably since the feed price doesn't start scaling down until you order pretty extreme amounts. Well I guess if you also consider the capital expenditure of building the pen and buying the hens and then look at a 5 year ROI then you do need a few and the larger you build the cheaper it gets per hen, generally speaking.
Here in colombia eggs cost ~$3 for a dozen.
A little less, then.
That's crazy.
Those are still just a little bit cheaper than a dozen eggs at Walmart.
It doesn't work that way. Eggs are not imported from the West and Western prices don't apply on domestic produce. Russian earnings are nowhere near the Western ones on average.
EGGS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY
Globally speaking though, $1 is still $1.
You could just say "Russia is a poorer country than the US" and still get the same point across.
Looks like someone failed economics class
I guess globally speaking, $1 is not $1.
Wow, cheaper than America. Fuck off russia.
You can't just compare the dollar value of items across countries when median incomes and cost of living vary so much. The same dollar has different buying powers in different countries.
But I can compare the increase by percentage, and everything went up in cost in America, so Russia can’t expect anyone to give a shit about their problems when they are murdering and land grabbing. Fuck Russia, and fuck anyone sympathizing with them.