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On emissions, yes.
On recyclability, no.
Ev batteries are recyclable. Not sure why you keep saying they aren’t. Oil and gas certainly aren’t recyclable.
Recycle the gas burned in your car. I'll wait.
Show me where I said anything about gas.
I'll wait.
Right here...
On recyclability, no.<
In context with the previous comment, it implies that you believe an ICE car is more recycleable than an EV.
Good point!
It's an okay point. Yes, the oil you must change every so often can be recycled. But I'm sure we're talking about the other oil, that is, gasoline, which is absolutely not recyclable. The other poster is probably an oil and coal shill.
We can cheaply recycle gasoline now?
We can recycle oil (and have since the 70's). We also recycle vehicles with full frames (unibodies are more difficult) and engines.
EVs are not recyclable (yet, anyway) and are written off with far less damage (essentially unrepairable at low-speed impact accidents).
Key word was cheaply, current costs if synthetic fuels are two to four times the current market rate at best, not available to the public, and heavily limited in their inability to scale within the necessary timeframe.
Any vehicle’s metal components can be scraped and recycled, and if your talking about component reuse EVs have far, far fewer consumable parts as compared to ICEs. While you can rebuild an engine with all new consumables, we’ve also been rewiring motors for just as long, and indeed the motor has far fewer wear items that require a rebuild in the first place. Indeed given the thriving conversation space and its demand for EV parts, they are often more recycled than all but classic models of ICE. EV batteries have proven trivial to recycle, and the frame and such are practically identical to ICE versions.
The majority of plastics are single use and a landfilled, and are just as prevalent in ICE’s as EVs.
The higher rate of write offs for minor incidents is consistent across many new vehicles, and is more a case of insurers lacking a large dataset from which to draw stats from than any inherent technological factor.
Doesn't recycling oil require that you still have the oil in oil form?
Oil is oil. It's either dirty or clean. Recycling it removes the dirt, and while that in no way makes it functional as a lubricant for newer engines it can be used for other manufacturing processes or be used in different products, ie: asphalt.
Do you think that lithium batteries aren't recyclable? If so, I have some news for you...
EV = electric vehicles. I am referencing the whole vehicle, not just the battery.
Then why would you assume the whole vehicle can't be recycled? They're made out of metal and plastic like ICEVs
Because right now recycling of plastics in end-of-life vehicles (ELVs) is low because of mixed composites and few markets ...
EV plastic and body recycling will be even less because of the need for composite construction in unibody design to keep the weight down, to compensate for the battery weight. Right now EVs are 1000+ lbs heavier than traditional ICE vehicles.
These guys seem to think they’re recyclable
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-li-cycle-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-industry/
EVs are the vehicles themselves, not the batteries.