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Up to 10 hospital patients in Oregon died from tap water injections instead of fentanyl: report
(www.businessinsider.com)
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So that nurse will be charged with 10 counts of murder on top of the federal drug crimes, right? ...Right?
actually, probably yeah
probably something like involuntary manslaughter as opposed to literal premeditated murder, but yes serious jail time is warranted
In my state I think "reckless manslaugher" might be apt:
Or how about first degree murder
Murder has to have the intent to kill someone AFAIK, this is "just" intentionally doing something that you know can (instead of will) kill someone. (it's a fine distinction)
Murder doesn't require direct intent to kill. Knowingly and/or purposefully doing something you know can kill people can result in murder charges if someone dies. Recklessness can be a factor.
A medical professional knows that injecting tap water can be fatal, so by doing so purposefully and knowingly, the act absolutely meets the definition of attempted murder, especially since this behavior was happening repeatedly at a large enough scale to cause multiple deaths. Likewise, those deaths absolutely meet the definition of murder.
And while it would be a stretch, first degree murder isn't off the table, since these actions appear very deliberately pre-planned with the intent of stealing drugs. Planning ahead of time, as a medical professional, to do things that you know can kill people, does meet the definition of premeditation.
There's also felony murder, where if someone dies in the commission of a felony, murder charges can be included with the other crime(s). Stealing drugs from a hospital is a felony, as is intentionally fraudulently injecting patients with non-medical/non-sterile liquids, though it doesn't appear that this is possible in Oregon, specifically.
It would seem to me that doing something you know will kill someone is the same as intentionally killing someone. A trained nurse can’t plead ignorance in this case.
It’s really no different than pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger.
From my perspective that’s premeditated murder in the first degree.
That's why I highlighted between can kill and will kill. Tap water injections can kill (with a reasonably high chance of survival if caught in time with the right medical equipment at hand). (Again, IANAL/AFAIK)
I read those two acronyms as one continuous sentence and found it hilarious (that as far as you know you're not a lawyer, but you could be)
Sounds right.
I dunno, the one who did the fertility clinic at Yale just got her license back...
jesus christ, what a fucked up court system we have...
at any rate, the incredibly evil nurse from yale at least refilled them with sterile saline solution, and didn't kill 10 people... or any people...
i think that'll make a difference...
Yes. The nursing profession doesn't fuck around with this kind of shit.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/03/25/1088902487/former-nurse-found-guilty-in-accidental-injection-death-of-75-year-old-patient
Yes, because then they can avoid any liability for the business as well as avoiding blame for the administrators who are guilty of 8 negligent homicides because they ignored the 8 after the second death that meant there was definitely something more than a freak accident going on
Well yeah. It's not like she's a cop