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Dave Chappelle fills Netflix special with jokes about trans and disabled people
(www.independent.co.uk)
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.... its .. not ok... to ... tell... jokes... about... certain... people ?
Punching down is the problem.
Also the whole "my brother is an asshole but if you call him that I'll punch you" thing.
If he was making jokes about a community he was involved with at all, great. If it was a trans comedian making these jokes, (probably) great.
But this is just another old out-of-touch rich guy making fun about people who are already having a shitty time (on average).
Also, notice how anyone has yet to actually forbid him from doing it. He's not being "cancelled/consequenced".
A lot of people just find it extremely distasteful. (It hasn't slowed him down in the slightest.)
Honestly, I'd be disappointed even more in a trans comedian. If, after transitioning, they went with such uninspired jokes when there's a wealth of more humorous things to joke about in transition, I'd question their sense of humor.
Ah yeah I should have specified the jokes should be not nasty or uninformed.
But I'd hope for better from someone from within the community.
semi-related tangent, I think some people misunderstand this kind of thing as "well if he was trans it would be fine."
when really, no, a trans comedian would just write different and much better jokes about this subject matter because they're immersed in it and have a deeper understanding of the community and the experience.
Ah yeah I should have specified the jokes should be not nasty or uninformed.
But I'd hope for better from someone from within the community.
I don't think it would have blown up if the original joke was good.
But it was just "this person called themselves a woman but had a cock".
And then pulled the "I have a trans friend" card. Like Dave of all people should know better than that. He seems to want to be the Bernard Manning of trans jokes.
Depends... on... whether... the... joke... is... malicious,.. of... course.
It's absolutely ok to tell jokes about marginalized communities
They just need to be good jokes
https://youtu.be/ffqvoJZ2HM4
I liked this video
Oh, that was actually good.
in the quiet, the real quiet of it all, after the yelling and flaming on the internet, we have two types of thought. One that thinks that people have both the ability and the freedom to say what they think, out loud, and even to entire groups of people. And we have a group of people that thinks we are all safer and happier if we don't let them. That group also thinks we have to agree (with them), they say one word a lot, 'tolerance' but curiously they mean that in one direction: the direction they identify with. In the same way, they falsely equate :"disagreeing with me" to "hating me".
You can disagree about favorite football teams or ice cream flavors. If you disagree about my right to exist, then that is, in fact, hating me.
Tolerance is a social contact. We are under no obligation to be tolerant towards the intolerant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
we can disagree about much greater things. humans have and have figured it out.
we can disagree about eating animals. for me it may be a sacrilege and for my neighbor it may be lunch. I am under no obligation to agree with her, nor is she under any obligation to agree with me.
She can think I am insane for protecting a dumb animal.
I can think she is insane for destroying life.
She can offend my morality. And I hers. This is disagreement. We do not have to agree, and we have every right to our understanding of the universe.
I will avoid mentioning other real-er areas because it gets people all in a tizzy and makes this kind of discussion take far too long. but if we extrapolate just a bit, disagreeing with another person, even about deeply held beliefs is part of what we do in civilization.