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hexbear having a struggle session over carnist talking points, you hate to see it.
Lmao seed oil discourse is amazing bc these guys are talking like everyone is getting free HRT or they can't digest protein meanwhile their strongest soldiers are turning beet red and vlogging how they visibly aged themselves a year every month
what
olive oil is from a veggie dude
the whole seed oil controversy is adjacent to the carnivore fad diet, largely an attempt to get people to eat more animal products
And what is the 'carnivore fad diet', is that like a new raw meat diet or something? I thought people abandoned that for being obviously horrible for anyone? Raw fish is the only good raw meat.
I think i'm just out of my depth in this tbh, i have no idea the background of any of this. It sounds extremely online though.
the carnivore diet is yeah just people eating solely meat for breakfast lunch and dinner. In its most extreme it's the Jordan Peterson diet of beef water and salt. Most people allow themselves to eat other types of meat though, and some take it to include all animal products including milk and butter. But honestly most people I've seen don't do raw meat, they literally just buy a ribeye from the grocery store for breakfast lunch and dinner. The most extreme do eat raw meat, organ meats and fermented meats though.
They push the seed oil thing as part of their effort to convince everyone that plant products are actually killing us and are the cause of all chronic diseases, cancer, heart disease, etc, and we'd all live to 100 and never be sick if we cut out all plant products. There are some very weird claims, like carbs are the reason we sunburn and if you don't eat carbs you won't sunburn. Really it's just terminally online chuds who are still mad about their moms making them eat their veggies when they were 5. Although as someone noted above, there are other fad diets that latch on to the whole seed oil thing, including vegan and vegan compatible fad diets.
These people are completely delusional. I've never even heard of anyone ever like this. How do you rid plants out of your diet? How are fruits and vegetables a problem? How is just eating beef going to be healthy. Thats like declaring war on fruit and deciding to only eat celery.
What
NOT THE FUCKING SUN
THE FLAMING ORB OF DEATH SHOOTING RADIATION LASERS?
Diet discourse is fuckin weird and very online. Most of it is always some cash grab or cult. I think I'm going to just stick to curbing fast food intake and doing outdoorsy things. Worked pretty well so far.
I just can't get over this though, this is just stupid. Its pure ideology and "veggies gay" patriarchy shit. Although, i've been in quite a lot of spaces, these people seem to be a small portion of those already off the deep end. I have never come into contact with anyone like this, even when I lived in MAGA land. Luckily this means its easy to dismiss. These people don't exist offline, so getting mad about them is nonsensical. Worrying over these people is not worth anyone's time.
They seem to be just god-tier rage bait. No one outside of twitter even talks like this.
although as you've said, olive oil shit has been appropriated to every diet, how the heck is olive oil discourse about purely Natsoc dietiers? It seems like just getting mad at something for no reason. The 'struggle session' seems like people just having dumb ideas about food ingredients, a tale as old as time.
Also we got a lovely effortpost out of this about the subject, it was fun to read.
yeah it's all an extremely terminally online thing. Definitely had it's moment though, as I say Jordan Peterson and as a result that whole manosphere/incel/far-right conspiracy media sphere, Rogan and all those guys, were pushing this stuff for a while. Not sure if they're all still going on harping on it.
They all blame the "vegetable industry" for pushing carbs and vegetarian diets, which, what? Absolutely baby brained. Of course the meat and dairy industries are just innocent smol bean victims of the evil Marxist vegetable industrial complex who would never astroturf message boards with things like "vegetable oils are killing you eat more butter," or "grains make your brain smaller eat more beef."
Anyway unless the hexbear gaming discord is for some reason really interested in the science of vegetable oils and different smoke points, it's almost definitely a struggle session over whether "seed oils" are bad for you or not. Which...they're not.
I think it’s absolutely the HGD being really interested in the science of vegetable oils and different smoke points
Seed oil discourse seems downstream of and invented to support the broader culture war issues such as climate change taking our burgers and vegetables (soy) force feminizing everyone. Chuds marinade the contradiction between their white collar urban treat based lifestyle and their Rvme inspired self image of manly patricians living off the land and it makes them mad. They're too "fact based" and "objective" to just say that they think veggies make their peepees soft, so they invent/create a market for bullshit like brussel sprouts causing sunburns.
All of this instead of recognizing what's actually happening with agribusiness and food - seed oils aren't inherently bad, but they're cheap so the ultraprocessed garbage food that is all too common in the US is chock full of them.
But the concept of "frying broccoli in seed oil = healthy, li'l Debbie's cake rolls = unhealthy" doesn't appeal to these idiots because it doesn't also tie into their settler idea of what being a man is.
The irony of course is that the best way to get the hardest, wettest, best tasting genitals is to just eat some fucking plants.