view the rest of the comments
Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Please don't post about US Politics.
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
The same debate happened when photography was invented. Photography led to some of the most iconic art movements of the 20th century and the deliberate departure from more realistic paintings, because nobody needed to hire a painter or sketch artist just to remember what someone looked like anymore.
My expectation is that AI will continue to be used to generate what has already been identified as particular styles. And these styles will go out of fashion with overuse, much like the 50's was oversaturated with mass produced designs. Which led to pop art.
Tl;dr It's all just part of the creative development of humans and our adaptation to automation. If we want to address why artists starve, AI in art is only a symptom of a much larger issue around human worth.
The AI has particular styles because the current AIs are trained in a particular way. As we go further, there is no reason to assume that AI would not be able to copy/mimic any stile. While photography is distinguishable from painting, the AI painting can be indistinguishable. That’s, I think, is fundamental difference.
A painting can be distinguished from a photo from its physical dimensions and attributes like texture. If I take a photo of a painting, almost nobody is going to file a court case against me for putting it in a book or website or tv. We're collectively ok with that level of reproduction.
An AI work can currently be determined by looking for 'errors' that aren't likely to be drawn in by artists or found in reality. Inconsistent shadows, exact repetition of organic pattern details, extra limb bits, doesn't construct language fluently, etc. We're not necessarily ok with that level of reproduction though because it is slightly less obvious at first glance.
Just like photos are a lossy format for paintings, AI is a lossy reproduction tool. While it will definitely be harder to distinguish with time, we're sort of still left with the core problem. What fidelity reproduction is necessary for something to no longer be original? And what does the originality actually matter when people don't need to rely on producing it to eat?
Hell, people even bought NFT apes with cut and pasted Mr. Potato Head parts for thousands. People have photocopied photos of the Sistine Chapel in books for close to free. Maybe it's just cool that the imagery is resonating with people regardless of the medium.
Also, we should feed people without the expectation of financial return, thanks for coming to my tired tedx talk.
If AI gets to the point where it can truly replicate anything, even so it won't be the end of human creativity, so I expect humans will still be making new things and new forms of art.
If AI can replicate everything, it will be able to replicate that as well. The only way to get around is to have something like “sertifiably human”. Like today, most chess competitions are for humans only.
I strongly agree with the comparison to photography. People like Man Ray and David Hockney opened doors to new art impossible before photography. And it did not eliminate drawing, painting and similar arts. It did force some change upon them, though. It seems that we have discovered something like a new art form. That should be exciting. It will certainly be uncomfortable