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I don't understand why everyone acts like the civil war was fought to make slavery illegal.
Like, it's history, but it's not ancient history. We have all types of evidence about what was going on back then
Seriously, pre civil war Lincoln just wouldn't stop talking about how he'll never outlaw slavery.
Like in his inaugural address:
https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/march-4-1861-first-inaugural-address
Dude was literally running around telling anyone that would listen that he can't outlaw slavery.
And now people want to act like that was his entire life mission and why he ran for president.
Eventually doing it halfway thru the civil war wasn't a decision made from ethics or morals, it was just an economic sanction, you know, that shit that would happen to pretty much anyone that lose a war back then...
The morality of it, was just a "bonus" it wasn't the goal.
They don't, because the Civil War was fought to keep slavery legal.
That is why the South seceded.
Every single declaration of secession of every confederate state mentions slavery if not at the very beginning than almost at the very beginning.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
I don't know why you think they seceded, but it was undeniably due to the desire to maintain chattel slavery based on their own words.
The issue is, you guys are listening only to the conservative version...
By that logic 1/6 was because Biden stole the election.
Fortunately that's still recent enough only one side believes that, but you all got me worried what people will say 200 years from now
No, I'm telling you what they literally wrote on the subject. I gave you a link to it. I suggest you read it.
You're saying what conservatives said was the reason for the civil war...
I'm pointing out conservatives always lie about that shit.
Believing them about the civil war is like believing the modern ones about 1/6.
Something I didn't think would ever happen, but after this thread...
Yeah. Idiots are going to keep falling for this. They're going to keep taking the words of literal insurecctionists over reality. And then for some reason get offended when it's pointed out that all they're doing is falling for centuries old propaganda.
Like, are you just too embarrassed to admit it now?
Or do you really still think the traitors who fucking started a civil war would never lie about why they did it to make it seem like they're the victims and had no choice?
What is your actual evidence that the confederate states lied about why they were seceding? Let's see it.
Well, I've linked Lincoln inaugural address a few times, because it shows the North or the Feds had no desire to ban slavery.... And that the big argument was return of escaped slaves...
But here it is again I guess:
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/lincolns-first-inaugural-address
It literally covers all of this, you should just read it. I'm not going to just keep linking relevant bits paragraph by paragraph for you to ask what the next says.
But your resistance to reading is really helping me understand why you're not getting this.
I just never want to have an exchange like this again, so hopefully someone else can answer all the further questions you'll undoubtedly have.
I'm not putting anymore effort into you
Sorry, did the Union secede from the Confederacy?
Otherwise, why does Lincoln's inaugural address prove they were lying about why they seceded?
No, no you don't understand, you see.
You just have to read Lincoln's inaugural address and that covers everything. All the other sources you bring up are all lies and beholden to my weird interpretation of the above, you see. And then they all just started fighting when Abe was in the bathroom for a few minutes longer than usual and they got confused about his address, you see?
And now my kids' damn principal is telling me I can't fly my flag on my truck when I drop 'em off?!
Oh, hey, aren't you the person that challenged me to read more? Incidentally, I have some reading for you that might shed light on your opening line. It's called the Cornerstone Speech, and it was made by the first Vice President of the Confederacy at what was, functionally, their first state of the union address.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech
But to make it easy for you, here's a juicy quote. It's a little long, but I made it that way to make it clear it's not out of context.
So, maybe that's why some people think the war was about preserving slavery, because that's what the Confederacy said it was about with their own words.
Why listen to the South on what was happening instead of Lincoln and reality?
Do you think 1/6 was actually about stopping Biden from stealing the election because that's what conservatives keep saying?
They lied then, they lie now, why do you want people to believe them?
Point us to the quote where Lincoln says anything as to why the southern states seceded from the Union.
Or, heck, how about a single reference supporting your so called "reality"...
-- Abraham Lincoln, Second Inaugural Address.
Well, no, that is not an example of Lincoln stating what the South seceded.
Because they started the damn war.
Oh wow...
Everyone that started a war was honest about why they started it to you?
So, you think Russia is honestly invading Ukraine to save the globe from Nazis?
Have you ever thought about how profitable bridge ownership would be? I've got one in Brooklyn I want to get off my hands....
If the reason is that fucking reprehensible yes.
The fuck does that even mean?
You think staring a civil war over "they're making us stop having slaves" is better than "they won't return escaped slaves back into slavery"?
Their lie is a bad thing, but it's still better than the actual truth.
What is hard to understand?
Like, if Jeffery Dahmer admitted to rape, would you think that means the serial killer stuff can't be true?
Lots of evil people admit to less evil actions so people stop talking about the worst.
This ain't even about history, it never stopped happening.
Because the Confederacy was already made by that point. They already had what they wanted: the institution of slavery constitutionally guaranteed forevermore. There's no point concealing their hand anymore, it's time to pop the champagne.
Lincoln literally said in his inaugural address that he had no desire to make slavery illegal, and he didn't think the federal government could even do that...
The South wasn't happy with that, they wanted the feds to force northern states to return escaped slaves.
That is what they wanted, and when they couldn't get it that, they started the civil war.
But that blows up the "states rights" excuse they were using to trick poor people into fighting for them, so they lied.
And apparently lots of people are still falling for it, yet don't understand why modern conservatives are still trying it.
It's because you're still falling for it