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SpaceX executives worried Elon Musk was on drugs during 'cringeworthy' all-hands meeting, WSJ reports
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Companies perform drug checks for a reason. People who lead large organizations while regularly getting off on drugs are usually the biggest psychopaths around.
Drug tests are just to keep their boots on the faces of the workers. It's disgusting and invasive.
Because there are no instances in history where forcing drug use had been weaponized at the international level. Man, sometimes it's so easy to see how lemmy is close to the same dark web that spams drug adverts on matrix.
You're seriously suggesting that drug tests are designed to protect employees from employers forcing them to do drugs? That's ridiculous.
False username, not sentient.
Don't be silly. Drug testing is largely for worker's comp. Think the insurance wants to pay out on an accident a fucked up employee got into? That has nothing to do with the employer.
That's why the vast majority of jobs coded as "clerical" do not require a test. Employers don't want to pay for all that if they don't have to.
EDIT: Lemmings who know nothing of the employment field, but want to get righteously angry.
If I smoke a joint on the weekend that has nothing to do with an injury on a Thursday.
but thanks to decades of war on drugs propaganda, if you smoke a joint on the weekend you're a bad and dangerous person and it's not just acceptable but incumbent upon Real God-Fearing Americans(c)(tm)(r) to hurt you however they can.
I'm sorry you're eating downvotes but this is the absolute truth in a lot of cases. I put in 18 years at various restaurants, worked every position except manager. I've never needed a drug test to get a job, and every job I ever had in that industry people were definitely on drugs at work, but drug tests are mandatory after a workplace injury. The reason being they don't actually care whether you're high at work but they can use the fact that almost everyone in a restaurant is high in order to cut costs under the guise of "workplace safety".
I can't imagine trying to cook while stoned. It just doesn't work that way for me.
lol I worked at a place whose name rhymes with "Sad Tex" because they're called Mad Mex where the cooks were literally hitting the bowl on the line and blowing it into the hoods
They don't really cook in a lot of kitchens (chain ones anyway), it's more like they're microwaving it for you.
There are exceptions, though. For instance, anyone who works in any capacity in the aviation industry is legally required to be tested for drugs. That includes, for example, software engineers working on booking systems.
Yep! Aviation is a whole nother world.
The higher up you go, the less likely it is that you'd be tested for drugs. We could empty board rooms if we insisted on drug testing at that level.
Yes, but I'm not really arguing against that claim. The higher up you go, the more psychopaths you have as well. They can have all the drugs they want, the real work usually doesn't depend on them, and psychopathy helps them make money if not contribute to society.
And that reason is to keep insurance premiums down.
So why do insurance premiums go up if people use drugs? Imaginary reasons?
10 downvotes on this comment, because they either mis clicked, they're guilty of the same thing and the truth hurts, or they're bootlicking scab motherfuckers.
Probably because routine mandatory tests are bad, and the comment you replied to is an endorsement to it. It's a gross violation of your constitutional rights under the 4th amendment. Also, why do you care to make assumptions on why people downvoted if you're not even making an effort to broaden your views?
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/mandatory-drug-testing-public-sector-employees-constitutional
No argument there, I'm not an advocate for drug testing against any intrinsic right as spelled out in the constitution, but there are many situations where companies need some type of enforcement against people who get high and go to work. Industries from utility, security, heavy manufacturing, or construction are just a few off the top of my head that the public trust demands those employees be "fit for duty" regardless of the public/private sector distinction due to the potential for fatal harm and/or destruction of property.
The comment highlights the "rules for thee and not for me" mentality that C-suites have, to which I emphasize that while my viewpoint may seem narrow and extreme, it's not due to a lack of broad views. I read that abstract and it's a collection of concepts that does nothing to address some well understood concepts like "do you want a crane operator to be allowed to get high as a kite, jeopardizing lives?" as just one of many potential examples. If mandatory drug testing becomes ruled as illegal under the constitution, then we had damn well better amend it and figure this shit out......to which my and their point stands. I might even add that there are some ignorant assholes who apparently think it would just be great if we can all just be allowed to get high and kill people by accident. "It wasn't a big deal, they just got some bad weed and the pilot killed himself and 200 people, what's the big fucking deal?"
My source discussed your concerns, I think you did not read it.
"Most courts have ruled that mandatory urinalysis, at least in the absence of probable cause or reasonable suspicion, is invalid as a violation of the Fourth Amendment. While some courts have concluded that government workers may have a diminished expectation of privacy in comparison with the public at large, other courts have required some quantum of individualized suspicion before drug testing can be conducted. States have attempted to uphold mandatory drug testing by arguing that government employees voluntarily consent to drug testing and voluntary consent does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Courts have not accepted this argument, however, finding that consent obtained under the threat of disciplinary action is coercive and thus unconstitutional. The real issue in mandatory drug testing involves balancing individual versus government interests. Most courts hold that, absent probable cause or reasonable suspicion, individual constitutional rights are not outweighed by governmental interests"
I did, actually, so let's break it down:
This is my issue right off the top, hence I bring up fit for duty requirements as a measure of preventing the loss of life and/or property. All reasonable suspicion and disciplinary issues arise after a major loss of life happens, and random UA testing has been viewed as a tool that functions preventatively in encouraging people not to show up under the influence of a substance, ie fit for duty.
Had you displayed a modicum of understanding, you could see that point rather clearly, but it seems you like to use a stupid fucking red herring to detract from the point altogether. If it's unconstitutional, then it ought to be amended, and while we're at it, keep people accountable especially scumbag C-suite execs who are often making decisions that demonstrably lead to death and/or loss of property in various ways.
Your reading comprehension is horrible, to say the least. Let me highlight the keywords for you so it's easier.
Most courts have ruled that mandatory urinalysis, at least in the absence of probable cause or reasonable suspicion, is invalid as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
In most cases I agree, with the exception of security clearances. That's a give and take.
It's only a violation of the 4th amendment for government employees, because only the government is bound by the 4th amendment. It's still bad, but not because of the Constitution.
Huh??? "Bound by the fourth amendment?" Have you ever read the Constitution? The fourth amendment protects you against unlawful search and seizure. As in, a protection afforded to all Americans. Please read a little.
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments
Yes, I have. Have you?
The Bill of Rights is all about limiting what the government is allowed to do. The text of that particular amendment is more vague about who it applies to, but let's say for the sake of argument it is the law that prevents private employers from drug testing you without your consent. What it absolutely does not do is prevent your employer from firing you if you don't consent to a search they want to do.
Thankfully, smarter people than you and I decide what the law "applies to." That's what the courts have ruled, there can be no "consent" if it's a condition for employment. There must be articulated suspicion.