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I used to eat meat. Don't anymore because the arguments against it are just that fucking strong. Basically unless you advocate for religious supremacy it's hard to make a cohesive argument in favor of meat consumption.
Maybe I woke up dense, but what does religious supremacy have to do with meat consumption?
Animals were put on this earth for use by humans is the religious supremacy take.
I completely forgot about this thought. Religions are so silly, and I don't care which one (Christianity, Islam...).
I have always thought that the best way to be religious is to be on your own, not through a "Church". There is nothing wrong with believing that there is something greater than us.
nothing?
Interesting! Thanks for the response. Now that you say it, I think I've heard this thinking before, which is just sad.
It tastes delicious is a pretty good argument
Heroin feeling really fucking good isn't a good argument for doing it
Lol I was just joking....but I'd say "heroin feeling really fucking good" is the ONLY good reason for doing it. I doubt junkies do heroin n because they like their teeth falling out.
It really is. There are more and better arguments against, but if those aren't a consideration, load me up, fam.
There are times when "ruins the likely short remainder of your life" doesn't matter anymore.
This is the thing. In isolation, enjoyment is a decent argument for anything. But you have to step back and look at the impact of things to see if it's a good or bad thing.
In the case of animal consumption, the pros are:
(People often add "it's nutritionally necessary" here. I know I did. But that's a myth. You can get everything you need from plants. If that wasn't the case, vegans would be unable to live whole lives without issues, but that's happening)
The cons?
I could go on, but I digress.
But these are the things I came to learn when I went vegan last year. So it came down to a simple question in the end: do the pros outweigh the cons? Do my tastebuds matter enough to contribute to all those problems? The answer was clear enough for me
Context for your second claim. 11% is more precise.
I'd be in favor of a hefty meat tax. But it'd be wildly unpopular.
Thank you for that image. "big portion" is a bit vague, and this does clarify it. To me, 11% is quite a lot of that pie, when you think about:
Here's another chart that breaks down that agriculture portion. My understanding is methane is mostly due to cow farts, and nitrous oxide is mostly due to animal urine and fertilizers.
We need to make impacts in all of these sectors, if we're going to fix climate change.
Re: meat tax, we could start by just not subsidizing meat and dairy.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I try to replace meat with plant based products when possible. I also avoid leather. In modern times I've discovered so many negative things about it. The main thing is livestock farming uses literally ten times more resources and creates ten times more pollution than crop farming. Also the the industrial farming of livestock is amazingly cruel.
Still not as much as eg. the energy sector
All the creatures we create are our children. They are all owed the unconditional love and protection of their creator. The experiences of animals are real and matter. Their suffering is identical in nature to your own. It harms us when we take pleasure in cruelty and violence.
Incidentally, just as a matter of nomenclature, what you are describing is not veganism. The environmental and personal health consequences of veganism are incidental. Veganism is about recognizing the right of all sentient creatures to exist without cruelty and unnecessary violence. You can't do that one day a week any more than you can believe women are not property one day a week. You'd describe the diet without other connotations as "plant based".
you have to take vitamin supplements on a fully vegetarian diet though - there are some nutrients that you just can't get from eating 2k-calories of plants a day.
children also shouldn't be forced into a plant based diet, it's not good for them, they won't develop properly - as an example, look at your average North Korean.
Absolutely not. For protein you need like... beans. It's not that difficult. It's fine for kids, and you absolutely don't need supplements. Vegan, maybe you do, not vegetarian.
Half of India is vegetarian. You think they're all sucking down pills and having short kids?
most indians are very short, yes - historically, only their upper castes have been tall
Everything you just said is wrong. Name these mystery nutrients. The only supplements vegans take are B-12 and D.
Vegans have better B-12 levels than the general population, who are significantly deficient, despite all the meat they shove down their throats. Everyone should be taking B-12 supplements. That's how it gets into the meat in the first place. Livestock don't produce B-12 either! Just grow up and take the pill instead of wrapping it in the flesh of an intelligent creature that at one time had the capacity to love you before you murdered it.
Have you ever bothered to check your D level? Most people who require D supplements are not vegans!
Along with your claims about children and North Korea (for some reason) it's clear that you're not talking from any kind of informed position, but you're just saying things that give you a psychological reward for saying them. It's a defense mechanism. This sort of behaviour is predicted by the theory of carnism.
from your link: "Part of a series on Animal rights".
lol no bias there at all, eh?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220525-is-a-vegan-diet-healthy-for-kids
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