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Most of the modern internet is indistinguishable from what we used to call malware (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Every site is trying to pull a Bonzai Buddy now.

"We need all your info for advertising, not you can't opt out unless you make an account and give us your email. Oops, looks like I hid the opt-out under a subheader. Amazon is now profiling you."

WE USED TO CALL THAT SHIT A VIRUS.

ITS EVERY. FUCKING. WEBSITE. NOW

"Hi I'm going to block this entire site until you give me your info, this is very cool and normal."

Capitalism ruined the internet. The whole thing is malware now.

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[-] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Okay so I have to back up my statements with spreadsheets, but you get to use vague historical truisms. I love talking to people online about history.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

I'm just saying that USSR had systems capable of processing data necessary for centralized control of air defenses and nuclear missiles, in operation.

And Soviet planning was sufficiently rough for computerization of that kind to be absolutely beneficial for it.

Anyway, it's not even about processing, which would require machinery, because that could be done in large part by humans still, it's the idea of such an open exchange of data between institutions and ministries etc, which shot it down.

A purely administrative reason.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

I think you are overestimating how powerful the computing systems needed to operate air defense back then were. Some of that shit was pretty analog. Cybernetic systems are all about inputs & outputs,,, more complicated than just needing processing power. Go watch Eyewar 😎🦾⚙️👀🤩🤖!!!

Chile is a later example that was visibly not saved by interest in cybernetics either. US Chicago School economists pushed for an intervention to overthrow Allende, rape and torture as many people as possible, then their moronic laissez faire economics that don't even understand what money are face planted. Chilean right wingers and modern Chicago Boys try to ignore that lol

The thing abt it purely being lack of information transparency between different USSR organs resulting in inefficiencies doesn't strike me as a great historical approach, more trying to fit whatever you're talking about to a conclusion, in this case that bureaucratic obstruction alone led to the USSR being dissolved. The USSR was too good at industrializing.

Again maybe seeing better statistics about agriculture may have hypothetically convinced them they need Maoism.

Trying to boil everything down to a few interpretations of politics within the USSR is really missing the forest for the trees.

Totally down to keep exchanging information about it long term as long as you don't say anything weirdly reactionary and get booted from this instance.

Can't wait for your "N-no." smuglord response because you don't actually give a fuck about history, you want to keep inbox notifications at bay. Prove me wrong tho.

You can always cite these examples you know instead of just linking to a Wikipedia article.

You know Wikipedia is highly ideological and has major sourcing issues?

Did you know many of your sources for information about the USSR are literally compromised by NATO intelligence? Simon Sebag Montefiore is in Jeffrey Epstein's contact book.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

because you don’t actually give a fuck about history, you want to keep inbox notifications at bay. Prove me wrong tho.

Why, you're right, it's a reflex.

Simon Sebag Montefiore

Not that guy, please. My classmate 12 years ago advised me to read him and I tried, this almost made her less cute for me.

You can always cite these examples you know instead of just linking to a Wikipedia article.

I can't (don't have time to look for sources), because it's of the "common knowledge" area. I live in Russia, many people in my family worked in rather big projects as engineers.

I think you are overestimating how powerful the computing systems needed to operate air defense back then were. Some of that shit was pretty analog.

The precision of Soviet planning allows for use of analog computers.

And I've said already in another comment that it wasn't about computing power, there actually were computing centers for the purpose of planning belonging to different ministries and organizations, just they didn't cooperate with each other, it's about openness of data.