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He's a lawless, fascist murderer. (slrpnk.net)

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after St. Louis police unions instructed officers to publicly display The Punisher's insignia (the mark of a lawless, fascist murderer) the comic book community was quick to point out the stupidity, and the frankly horrifying message sent by supposed peace officers endorsing a maniac. So it's a good thing The Punisher personally confirms he hates cops who see him as a friend… making every cop who "wears his mark" or calls themselves a "fan" look like shameful fool in the process.

-- Andrew Dyce, The Punisher Confirms: He HATES Cops Who Support Him

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[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

I don't think that makes him fascist, just a broken person with twisted morals attempting to do good (in his mind). IIRC, he makes no attempt to push his morals beyond himself.

In fact, doesn't he specifically tell people not to be like him?? That's very much NOT fascie behavior.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago

Idk, a lot of fascist ideology revolves around a single person being able to save society via strength and commitment. Instead of society being able to enact meaningful changes through the proper means, we need someone who can cut through the bureaucracy and just take out the "bad guys".

Unfortunately a lot of western writing reinforces the belief that individual greatness can overcome even the most difficult situations. This isn't saying that all western authors are fascist, rather that most of the stories we tell require a first person perspective for us to resonate with it.

This is why the most popular propaganda films in Nazi Germany weren't films like triumph of the will, but instead were films like The Lives of a Bengal Lancer and Gabriel Over the Whitehouse.

[-] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I mean, isn't that literally why he tells people to not be like him?

I think he was created to point at that exact issue.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

I think it highlights the difficulty of attempting to profit from attempting to satire fascism. The people who understand nuance aren't typically the crowd that needs to be reminded that fascism is bad, and the people who do need that reminder are so often selectively deaf to nuance that conflict with their ideology.

Punisher may have started as satire on fascism, but over the years there are going to be authors who are going to asses the importance of that aspect of the character differently. Some are going to take the original message to heart and make it the centerpiece of the story, others are just going to use it as a set piece to get to the vengeance and violence.

Over time the character turns from the cautionary tale of an antihero, to a piece of intellectual property used to sell stickers to chuds. Unfortunately the author has very little control of how people interpret their work.